# Drone ship pve in highsec l4 not viable anymore.. fix suggestion included **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 6, 2020, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932 "2020-08-06T06:50:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/102 "2020-08-07T15:08:54Z")
nerf drone boats i mean they are to good for pvp and pve and one can do lvl 4 missions afk with them , my suggestion is that the npcs agro on the drones more and them the player must use skills to make the drones faster or have more ehp and be aware all the time to return the drones to bay in case of damage , i think this will help to solve the massive abuse of drone boats and afk players ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/103 "2020-08-07T15:14:55Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i think this will help to solve the massive abuse of drone boats and afk players “Massive abuse” ? Citation please… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/104 "2020-08-07T15:17:00Z")
> **[Vexor Navy Issue and Alpha Clone Drone Skill Changes | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/puuipi/vexor-navy-issue-and-alpha-clone-drone-skill-changes)** > > Take a look at this devblog for some changes that are coming for the Vexor Navy Issue, and a few more tweaks to drone skills for Alpha Pilots! ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/105 "2020-08-07T15:18:32Z")
its all over the internet bro ![Captura de Tela 2020-08-07 às 12.15.39](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/9/493fc2bd7116e2e154d47fe9402ce68b1ebbeda5.png) ![Captura de Tela 2020-08-07 às 12.16.49](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/b/0bcc389445eed745134ccdb19cdb1855cebec6b8.png) ![Captura de Tela 2020-08-07 às 12.18.04](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/d/edb5890b2d7e57e4c332f2d9068e6bfb323312b0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/106 "2020-08-07T15:21:58Z")
funny could not find the words “massive abuse” in the article you link. can you give exactly what was actually written ? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/107 "2020-08-07T15:27:27Z")
Dravick was playing dumb. We all know that there is AFK drone bottling going on. ---
**Author:** ![PI01\_Wanga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi01_wanga/32/192508_2.png) [@PI01\_Wanga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PI01_Wanga)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/108 "2020-08-07T15:30:17Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > impact on PvP situations agree, that’s why i prefer the drone auto repair in drone bay. > [@0verpowered](#): > > He’s not wrong. OP should pay heed to this. just a reminder for all about bling fit… i bling it out on singularity and it **failed**. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Drone boats MUST be usable in PVE, as much as turret or missile bots you took the words out of my brain. exactly. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > A T1 Vexor can run lv4’s no problem…again if you know how to play. sure, if you meant those small lv4’s mission. i would like to see you run vexor in real lv4’s such as angel extravaganza or world collide. > [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > Drone boats are also excellent for PvE right now. if you meant the guristas pirate line… **no** , they are missile boat more then drone boat. > [@Xeux](#): > > changes that are coming for the Vexor Navy Issue > [@Xeux](#): > > We all know that there is AFK drone bottling going on. that blog talk about afk farming in **“certain”** nullsec anomalies. again, making drone repair in drone bay doesn’t make it any more easier to “afk farming”. thanks for the support from some pilot who recognize the issue as well as player who disagree in constructive ways… and as always, you are free to flame about it as well. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/109 "2020-08-07T15:33:33Z")
> [@PI01\_Wanga](#): > > sure, if you meant those small lv4’s mission. i would like to see you run vexor in real lv4’s such as angel extravaganza or world collide. ![730ada9d6496a246fba049c3546b8321](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/2/a2c78780477422e6c783cc53db00701419e75ac3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/110 "2020-08-07T15:36:51Z")
And the discussion is about L4, so the situation is not related (AFAIK) > [@PI01\_Wanga](#): > > if you meant the guristas pirate line… **no** , they are missile boat more then drone boat. They are both. But AFAIK only rattle has the bonus that make the drones able to survive. Also, that is just wrong : rattle are able to do L4, in the sense of they have added tank, does not make them good at doing L4s. Unless you want to bore someone to suicide, that is. Yes, I met someone who quit Eve after playing rattle as the gameplay was too boring and he thought he had lost his time training for a rattler. > [@PI01\_Wanga](#): > > you took the words out of my brain. exactly. Well, Still I disagree with you : I think drone-only boats should not exist. So, boats with added drone bonus okay, but they **need** do deal less damage with drones than with primay weapons. I totally would not mind giving all drones a buff to EHP and a reduction to DPS. though in reality, I don’t really care. I don’t like gila and rattle, because IMO they make Eve an inactive gameplay session. I like double rep brawler dominix, hyperion, and the truth is that those ships are completely removed since the last update that removed a huge percentage of their rep and made sentry fits just plainly better. ---
**Author:** ![PI01\_Wanga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi01_wanga/32/192508_2.png) [@PI01\_Wanga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PI01_Wanga)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/111 "2020-08-07T15:43:21Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > But AFAIK only rattle has the bonus that make the drones able to survive true on this. which also say all the other drone ships is pretty much useless for pve thanks to their drone unable to survive even with deck out durability implants and rigs. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/112 "2020-08-07T15:54:06Z")
Mostly it sounds like the OP is not actively and strategically managing drones as part of the build and the combat plan. Select drones with higher shield HP, which regens. Select drones with higher speed, which get hit less and disengage more quickly. User smaller drones to take out the frigs, then switch to larger. Cycle drones individually back to drone bay, so the AIs lose their target and have to switch. Add implants that increase drone survivability. The only suggestion in the OP which I agree with is to make drones need to be targeted like every other weapon type. The use of auto-attack in farming, botting and AFK play has been abused for far too long. CCP, of course, will pretend that’s not an issue, because they don’t want to rock the boat with the literally thousands of players using droneboats to farm trillions of ISK. ---
**Author:** ![PI01\_Wanga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi01_wanga/32/192508_2.png) [@PI01\_Wanga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PI01_Wanga)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/113 "2020-08-07T15:56:55Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The only suggestion in the OP which I agree with is to make drones need to be targeted like every other weapon type. The use of auto-attack in farming, botting and AFK play has been abused for far too long. how about this and also make drone auto repair while in drone bay? give and take? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/114 "2020-08-07T16:09:30Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > TL;DR “The things I farm aren’t as dumb as they used to be” Gee, I’m not much of a PvEer but isn’t that the whole point, to make AI smarter? 🤪 OP should switch to PvP, players are meanwhile getting dumber 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/115 "2020-08-07T16:11:23Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The only suggestion in the OP which I agree with is to make drones need to be targeted like every other weapon type. The use of auto-attack in farming, botting and AFK play has been abused for far too long. There was bots that were farming using supercarrier, so the target management has never been an issue for bots. In fact, depending on your fit in some cases in a VNI you could remain yellow boxed by some rats, meaning your drones would never attack them. So the complain about auto aggro making the bots possible is complete BS. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > CCP, of course, will pretend that’s not an issue, because they don’t want to rock the boat with the literally thousands of players using droneboats to farm trillions of ISK. Indeed, its not an issue. Whatever the quantity of isk created is. I would however totaly agree if you were instead talking about inactive gameplay, where your dones are killing stuff while you can make yourself a cup of tea. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/116 "2020-08-07T16:43:02Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I met someone who quit Eve ![Good riddance](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/c/2c7838ae68621d7109f8cf4abc5e4e2c9ff8528e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Baran\_Caydren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baran_caydren/32/212550_2.png) [@Baran\_Caydren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baran_Caydren)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/117 "2020-08-07T18:39:16Z")
As a true Scotsman, can confirm that no true Scotsman would post that image 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Theodyval\_Kinging1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodyval_kinging1/32/415265_2.png) [@Theodyval\_Kinging1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodyval_Kinging1)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/118 "2020-08-07T21:16:02Z")
“If you can only do it without a combat timer, why would you even care how many drones you have deployed?” In case you get jumped. Like repairing an overheated module. Repairing drones is only a balancing problem for PvP balancing. In PvE you usually have time to dock somewhere and repair them; it’s just a pain. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/119 "2020-08-07T21:22:28Z")
I mean, I can _kind_ of see that? But…it sounds like a very _very_ fringe case scenario. Also, if you’re repairing your drones in a non-(immediately) hostile environment, then you don’t really need your bay to do it, since you can carry a light armor bot, and take care of it that way. Emergency bay repairs would be particularly good for hostile situations, and could be balanced if they have a proper cost attached, like, let’s say, 2x of the repaired EHP value in terms of paste used. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/120 "2020-08-07T23:44:57Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Yes, I am answering stupid things to your own stupid things. No you just ran out of worthwhile things to say. Show me the acceptance criteria that supports your statement? Or is it just something you pulled out of your ass? ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/121 "2020-08-07T23:48:58Z")
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