# Drone ship pve in highsec l4 not viable anymore.. fix suggestion included **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 6, 2020, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932 "2020-08-06T06:50:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/142 "2020-08-09T19:31:13Z")
The Vexor can do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/143 "2020-08-09T19:57:55Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > That anecdote requires evidence. According to you nothing requires evidence, or does that only apply to you? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/144 "2020-08-09T20:18:00Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > According to you nothing requires evidence, or does that only apply to you? That evidence requires evidence. woopsy, sorry wrong toon. ---
**Author:** ![Gleb\_Koskov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gleb_koskov/32/374138_2.png) [@Gleb\_Koskov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gleb_Koskov)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/145 "2020-08-09T20:22:09Z")
You should give turreted ships a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Pete](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/simple_pete/32/285038_2.png) [@Simple\_Pete](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Simple_Pete)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/146 "2020-08-09T21:20:48Z")
This tactic does not work in even low skill, high sec anoms. The change has drones being primary targets. For drone ships this is a problem. Yes, he could switch to gun or missile ships, but that eliminates a good portion of the ships in game. I took the time to check out the OP’s concerns, They are valid. As for the smartasses in this thread, take your PVE gun ship and let the AI target your guns. Make those players offline them to stop the damage. Somehow, I don’t think you would find that much fun either. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/147 "2020-08-09T21:29:20Z")
You seem angry. Do you need a hug? ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/148 "2020-08-09T21:33:09Z")
Ah…except…I’ve done it…and so have many others. Not in hisec, though, so perhaps those are more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/149 "2020-08-09T21:53:29Z")
> [@Simple\_Pete](#): > > This tactic does not work in even low skill, high sec anoms. It works just fine in hisec anoms, if you know what you’re doing; I’m a mass murderer of NPC’s and haven’t lost a drone in years. Spawn and drone management are key. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/150 "2020-08-09T22:35:21Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’m a mass murderer of NPC’s and haven’t lost a drone in years. you mispelled “haven’t done a forlorn in years”. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/151 "2020-08-09T22:39:45Z")
YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![PI01\_Wanga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi01_wanga/32/192508_2.png) [@PI01\_Wanga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PI01_Wanga)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/152 "2020-08-10T00:39:09Z")
> [@Gleb\_Koskov](#): > > You should give turreted ships a chance. i’m currently flying marauders (note the “s”). but still, marauders is not drone ships… drone ships should be like “summoner class” in other mmorpg. and in most summoner class in mmorpg… they are king of pve. ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/153 "2020-08-10T01:05:41Z")
Drone ships work just fine. Stop trying to afk everything. Summoner class are not king of PVE in many other games. It would be noce to have a maruder class drone boat, but you shouldn’t be able to afk everything you see. Stop being lazy. You can fit armor reps to the highs to rep your drones… Just in case you missed it STOP BEING LAZY. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/154 "2020-08-10T01:32:10Z")
ok OP you have mentioned the word “summoner” several times now… This is not WoW This is not Rift This is not FInal fantasy This is not Elder SCrolls This is not a medieval fantasy trope style game at ALL!!! If you want to go play those games then go play them… OTHERWISE STFU YOU PANSY F-ING CAREBEAR!! jesus christ… ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Pete](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/simple_pete/32/285038_2.png) [@Simple\_Pete](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Simple_Pete)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/155 "2020-08-10T03:14:50Z")
First the assumption, I don’t know what I’m doing is funny. I’ve played the game since 2004 and drone aggro has never been this bad. That is what happens when assumptions are made. Just doing regular anoms in high sec resulted in mass micro-management of the drones; constantly pulling in one or two and then relaunching them. Every single drone in a flight of five was damaged, just as the OP mentioned. Just because you use a oversized afterburner/warp drive to make your sig larger, doesn’t make you a PVE icon. This wouldn’t be the first time CCP has screwed up drone aggro and it will probably not be the last. I’m guessing the change was made to stunt null ratters who spend all day afk. That would not be a first either. ---
**Author:** ![Penance\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/penance_toralen/32/244089_2.png) [@Penance\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Penance_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/156 "2020-08-10T04:09:53Z")
Got to enjoy all of the smack talk, instead of a solution. Mind, some of the voices have expressed discontent that NPCs switch to new intruders up to mischief. No one gets to have cake and eat it, after all. If you have not already which to the Domi, and Sentry Drones. With the use of a Large Micro Jump Drive to instant kite 100km away from the NPC. Using Wardens or Bouncers, you fit for Drone Damage Amplifiers, minimum tank, Sensor Boosters with Range Scripts. Drone Augumentors and some small RR complete the highs. Omnis in the mids with a LMJD. So, no its not release the hounds, and go for a sandwich. And never should have been. But drones work perfectly fine in L4. Because it still has a flavor of 2003 AI which just slow-boat into the player’s weapons. Instead of warp positioning on top of the player, aggressive ewar and capacitor-attack and RR. Because there has to be retention of the 3 year arc segment of the player-base that thinks this is “level the raven” online. No stone left un-turned, no talk left un-smacked. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/157 "2020-08-10T04:10:26Z")
> [@Simple\_Pete](#): > > Just because you use a oversized afterburner/warp drive to make your sig larger, doesn’t make you a PVE icon The whole point of using an oversized afterburner is that you go nearly as fast as with a normal sized mwd, but it **doesn’t** make your sig larger. It does make you manoeuvre like a supertanker though. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cygnus_carta/32/217843_2.png) [@Cygnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cygnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/158 "2020-08-10T04:40:53Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Spawn and drone management are key. But but but that takes effort and some understanding. That’s not what these folks are after, they want zero effort safe afk grinding and in this day and age they _deserve_ it. Wait no, they’re lazy clowns who shouldn’t been given the time of day, let alone an active thread with serious replies. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/159 "2020-08-10T08:00:41Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > YMMV. L2P. I did a forlorn (I guess it’s refuge ?) 1 week ago. With all skills to 5 in drones, I lost one drone without realizing it in one of the 3 elite waves. I have 5, then I have 4. All the rats yellowed me at once. The lesson is very simple : don’t use drones in forlorn. Because in those anoms, drones are not viable. > [@Cygnus\_Carta](#): > > but that takes effort and some understanding. No, that takes a constant observation on the drones window, the need to keep your drones close to you to be able to recall them when they are webbed in the case they don’t die instantly. And since most drone ships should also use turrets, that means you can’t place yourself correctly to shoot the target. In the end, that’s an auxiliary weapon system that requires all you attention. So yes, you can choose to use sentries, get at range, and only release the medium/heavy drones once the frigates are all dead. Which means that non-sentry user are at a loss. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/160 "2020-08-10T08:24:34Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > L2P Part of learning to play is knowing which tools to use for which job. I don’t use a drone boat for stuff I know chews drones up; unlike the OP who insists on using drones in places that he shouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932/161 "2020-08-10T08:29:33Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I don’t use a drone boat for stuff I know chews drones up; Thank you for agreeing with the OP, that drone hate made drone boats not viable in some activities. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > the OP who insists on using drones in places that he shouldn’t. No, he insists that he should. L2R. But until now you were just trolling by making complete off-topic points regarding the viability of the drones, or strawmen like you just did. I’m glad that we reached an agreement point though. Even if it took you days to understand what the OP was actually expressing in the first post, knowing the usual trolls here I guess I should be glad it did not take several months for just a simple basic understanding. And now, before you answer me that this point is wrong, I will remind you that I already said I don’t agree with that point. The difference between me and you, is that I am not trying to troll the OP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/drone-ship-pve-in-highsec-l4-not-viable-anymore-fix-suggestion-included/258932.md?page=9)