# E-war Friates to be Invisible on D-scan **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [October 11, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892 "2017-10-11T15:34:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/41 "2017-10-18T12:31:42Z")
You don’t understand, the low dps is the draw back of brining these ships into a fleet and the vigil is not in a place where that draw back needs to be reduced just because YOU feel like every ship needs to be viable in solo ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/42 "2017-10-18T23:24:28Z")
It’s ability in solo is not my entire point, it is substantially weaker than it’s counterparts which makes it too fragile for most situations where it would be useful. I mean putting low skill characters in it as something for them to do and it doesn’t really matter if they get killed, is a really underdeveloped role. ---
**Author:** ![Cindy\_the\_Sewer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cindy_the_sewer/32/10425_2.png) [@Cindy\_the\_Sewer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cindy_the_Sewer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/43 "2017-10-21T22:02:47Z")
I have flown nothing but e-war frigates on roams, even when our side comes out the loser, i usually could have gotten away if flying 30 jumps back home wasnt so tedious. Nothing wrong with e-war frigates showing on D-Scan, no changes needed. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan\_Valentina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tristan_valentina/32/185935_2.png) [@Tristan\_Valentina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tristan_Valentina)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/44 "2017-10-22T18:11:55Z")
Please no… I dont want to be Jammed out, Scrammed up, and Blasted into the next region without being able to see it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Rek\_Seven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rek_seven/32/281864_2.png) [@Rek\_Seven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rek_Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/45 "2017-10-22T23:48:08Z")
You already can by t3’s recon and other nasties. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/46 "2017-10-22T23:57:17Z")
only the combat recons the rest have a delay when they de-cloak ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/47 "2017-10-23T01:14:06Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > only the combat recons the rest have a delay when they de-cloak afaik, only Stealth Bombers and BlackOps get no delay penalty to targeting after decloaking ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/48 "2017-10-23T02:27:04Z")
yes so the only e-war he listed that has 0 warning were the combat recons. ---
**Author:** ![Rek\_Seven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rek_seven/32/281864_2.png) [@Rek\_Seven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rek_Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/49 "2017-10-23T08:22:55Z")
Cloaky ships have a delay when decloaking while recons have a delay between the time they show on grid and when they can actually lock a target… equates to almost the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/50 "2017-10-23T14:50:39Z")
something a frig would have a much faster time at ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/51 "2017-10-23T16:12:18Z")
The targeting delay after cloaking can be reduced with those rigs but I don’t know if those are useful. But I agree with Lugh here, the electronic attack frigates are plenty powerful and don’t really need to be spooky. A Crucifier or Maulus is not less effective just because they appear on d-scan. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/52 "2017-11-08T03:14:21Z")
Except for bombers I think all T1/T2 ships have a targeting delay after decloak. The delay is not very long on covert ships but there is one and an aligned ship will usually get away before it is targeted. ---
**Author:** ![Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gregorius_goldstein/32/11133_2.png) [@Gregorius\_Goldstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gregorius_Goldstein)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/53 "2017-11-08T13:37:05Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > the hell it isn’t we use them almost exclusively whenever we need scouting in J-space as there is almost 0 chance of them being noticed unless they have a scout on the hole Don’t tell them. As long as the ships don’t show up on zkill they will never now how the fleet found them. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/54 "2017-11-08T16:59:40Z")
> [@Agent\_5B](#): > > Except for bombers I think all T1/T2 ships have a targeting delay after decloak. Blops BBs also have no recalibration delay. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/55 "2017-11-10T11:51:35Z")
I think you mean Blops Battleships which I guess are T2 but don’t target especially fast ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/56 "2017-11-10T17:06:46Z")
Sebo(s) fix that to an extent. I agree their scan res is lackluster, especailly for a boat built to gank things. But just the same, it has no recalibration delay. I’d love to see force recons lose their recalibration delay, might give people a reason to hunt with them again. These days anyone that’s going to hunt will probably do it in a T3C. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/57 "2017-11-10T20:13:49Z")
From the hunters point of view ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/58 "2017-11-13T12:36:57Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Sebo(s) fix that to an extent. I agree their scan res is lackluster … its just the best scan res of the BB class but sure you can call that lackluster ---
**Author:** ![Rek\_Seven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rek_seven/32/281864_2.png) [@Rek\_Seven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rek_Seven)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/59 "2017-11-14T10:15:45Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > I’d love to see force recons lose their recalibration delay, might give people a reason to hunt with them again. These days anyone that’s going to hunt will probably do it in a T3C. Nah, the balance is right in this regard. Zero re-calibration on cruisers would be too powerful. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/e-war-friates-to-be-invisible-on-d-scan/30892/60 "2018-02-12T10:15:47Z")
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