# ECM Balance Pass - November **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Tags:** pvp, ships\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696 "2018-10-25T00:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Unseen\_Spectre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/unseen_spectre/32/440368_2.png) [@Unseen\_Spectre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Unseen_Spectre)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/221 "2019-07-15T21:16:18Z")
@CCP_Rise Any chance that we will get some feedback on or an iteration of the ECM change? Since the implementation of the ECM change and the following adjustments in Oct/Nov 2018 we have not heard anything about the impact on the ECM change (not counting the nerf to the ECM drones). At EVE Vegas in Oct 2018 you stated that you would keep a close eye on the impact of the ECM change and would continue to iterate on it. So far we have not seen any iterations though. However, I guess with more than 6 months of data you should be able to at least provide some feedback concerning the impact and current state of ECM (not counting ECM drones). ---
**Author:** ![Kei\_Hazard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kei_hazard/32/245509_2.png) [@Kei\_Hazard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kei_Hazard)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/222 "2019-07-22T01:32:47Z")
Yes, and also @CCP_Rise the poor griffin navy need some love. ---
**Author:** ![Gleb\_Koskov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gleb_koskov/32/374138_2.png) [@Gleb\_Koskov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gleb_Koskov)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/223 "2019-08-02T06:47:56Z")
Since the changes, ECM ships now have to be more resilient, the increased range on the modules was good but this is a game where cruisers can close a 100km gap in a matter of several seconds, might have to stop using dedicated ecm ships and start fitting them on Drakes. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/224 "2019-09-04T01:07:35Z")
Coming up on 12 months since the OP was posted, still no word on the next stage… much disappoint. Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![Robber\_Baron\_Kadroh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/robber_baron_kadroh/32/283514_2.png) [@Robber\_Baron\_Kadroh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Robber_Baron_Kadroh)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/225 "2019-09-04T13:47:32Z")
I love the script idea here for ecm. That is long overdue, and a great replacement for the racial layout. ---
**Author:** ![XvXTeacherVxV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xvxteachervxv/32/355685_2.png) [@XvXTeacherVxV](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/XvXTeacherVxV)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/226 "2019-09-05T18:01:54Z")
I’m not sure I’ll have much reason to use ECM with these changes. They’re just not very tanky ships, they’ll just get primaried first. Some things that could help change my mind: - Racial ECM as scripts instead of modules or make them high-slot modules, so I can fit more tank. - Increase the time it takes to lock ECM ships - Give them a bonus to ECM drones and let people always be able to lock them. - Let smaller ECM ships fit target breakers, including the Griffin and Kitsune. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/227 "2019-09-08T12:15:46Z")
lol RIP Griffin Navy Issue ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/228 "2019-09-19T06:15:32Z")
I think I may know what’s gone wrong!! The devs have misplaced their Chaos Orbs: ![chaos](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/b/7bdb3a88bc9c846214bb78766739671ef50586c2.png) so they haven’t been able to generate any new properties for the ECM ships! That’s got to be it, right! I mean, in the Era of Chaos and everything!! \< sigh \> when fixing ECM pls? 😟 Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/229 "2019-09-22T09:17:08Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > lol RIP Griffin Navy Issue Just 2x webs like on the Hookbill and you have a turret Hookbill, jeebus it’s not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/230 "2019-09-22T13:44:28Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > Just 2x webs like on the Hookbill and you have a turret Hookbill, jeebus it’s not rocket science. You heard it here first folks. The Griffin Navy Issue is no longer an ECM brawler, it’s a webbing brawler. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Sergeant\_MacRobert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/master_sergeant_macrobert/32/245588_2.png) [@Master\_Sergeant\_MacRobert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Master_Sergeant_MacRobert)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/231 "2019-09-24T15:14:50Z")
… Coz ECM is broken. Not overpowered. Not underpowered. Bust. 1. Rework required. Quite frankly I doubt this is anywhere near the top of the pile of Dev time WIP; whilst focus will be on winning back subs. I’d put FW above ECM (perhaps I am biased). Sarge ---
**Author:** ![fallen\_merovigean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fallen_merovigean/32/163929_2.png) [@fallen\_merovigean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/fallen_merovigean)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/232 "2019-10-07T23:22:23Z")
I found out the hard way after being afk for awhile… Thought I’d fit a falcon for ol times sake (had no idea till after getting 'sploded) that I can’t jam a dessie tackle… literally ruined my whole day. Why even have ecm/eccm/target spectrums as invested learning abilities anymore? Why even have caldari anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/233 "2019-10-07T23:49:28Z")
> [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](#): > > Coming up on 12 months since the OP was posted, still no word on the next stage… much disappoint. It’s actually been 12 months now, the original screwup was in Oct 2018: > **[October Balance Pass | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/october-balance-pass)** > > Check out this blog from the EVE Dev Team about upcoming balanc work, including changes to ECM, nullification and a little bit of work on the Triglavian ship lineup! Specifically: _As a victim, watching your ship die while jammed without anything you can do about it feels bad._ Which of course translates too: **WAAAA I didn’t skill or fit for ECM, WAAAAAA** ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/234 "2019-10-23T14:48:28Z")
I remember when I used to fly a Rook … - Eve is a little less fun since ECM was broken to fix the glaring design flaw in the abyssal 1v1 pvp areana ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/235 "2019-10-23T16:48:38Z")
It’s such a classic give an inch take a mile example. - First they create instanced content, which is totally anti sandbox - Then they add 1v1 instanced PvP, 1v1 is a fools errand in an MMO of any kind - Then to balance that they nerf the sandbox Don’t these people have a manager or someone with a big picture view? ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/236 "2019-10-23T17:51:19Z")
the ONLY reason ecm was changed was so carrier fighters could not be jammed anymore . no thought was given to any other areas of space or play style . no consideration to 10+ years of suggestions and complaints. it used to piss me off the way null sec csm so easily manipulates ccp but now i say , if they’re keeping the lights on , give 'em anything they want … and ccp does . ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/237 "2019-10-23T21:34:29Z")
I agree the fighter jamming was a change wished for by null krabbers but it wouldn’t have been implemented unless it’s existence broke something new, like the abyssal arena. Remember this was mentioned in the CSM minutes & because of how the NDA works (- that is you cannot talk about things in development that effect player-game environment -) If they talked about it then It shouldn’t have been a thing. Maybe some Bright-Spark said: “What happens if they fly an ECM ship into the arena, no one fits to counter ECM” Abyssal dev.s: “Oh crap & if they try to fit to counter ECM they wont be able to kill the trigs” ---
**Author:** ![Vailen\_Sere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vailen_sere/32/384880_2.png) [@Vailen\_Sere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vailen_Sere)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/238 "2019-11-06T19:23:46Z")
That means I haven’t even bothered to fly any of my beloved ECM ships in over a year… maybe its time I just unfit and repackage them. A celestis, arbi, or bellicose were more effective tank wise anyhow that the blackbird. Prior to the change. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Rollin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abe_rollin/32/272864_2.png) [@Abe\_Rollin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abe_Rollin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/239 "2019-11-15T15:11:40Z")
Do you remember when you could fly a Rook at a couple of cruisers, and if you got _real lucky_, you could take one down then escape before their friends arrived… Didn’t happen very often… but when it did… Hell yeah!! Because I flew ECM ships I always fit counters, it was the ones who didn’t that moaned the most - I’ve taken down ships which had a Sebo fitted & had no ECCM scripts and then they moaned because of “ECM”, (which is a bit like a Caldari pilot moaning about Mjolnir missiles but not bothering to plug the EM resist hole) ---
**Author:** ![Vailen\_Sere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vailen_sere/32/384880_2.png) [@Vailen\_Sere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vailen_Sere)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696/240 "2019-12-03T02:44:34Z")
> [@Tevo\_Hyalhi](#): > > Something, anything, to help counter those blessed ECM drones would be appreciated. Smart Bomb? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ecm-balance-pass-november/115696.md?page=13)