# Economy and Trading Dead **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 7, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327 "2024-01-07T00:46:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/129 "2024-01-11T06:36:57Z")
If you can afford to cut your prices by 25% then you were operating on some _fat_ margins. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/130 "2024-01-11T06:55:21Z")
As a trader, you’re not concerned with margins as much as you’re concerned with the time-value of money. Even if you take a loss on an individual sale (e.g. from having to adjust an order so many times that you end up selling below the break-even point), the time-value of the money underwriting the asset is _generally_ worth more than the value of the loss you take. There are exceptions, and you have to make calculations on a per-case basis, but the general rule applies. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/131 "2024-01-11T07:00:54Z")
Wait a minute, are you telling me that some people play this game for isk value?? I’ve always focused on just getting it done, like shop at the store ok but don’t work there. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/132 "2024-01-11T07:11:44Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > If you can according to cut your prices by 25% then you were operating on some _fat_ margins. You have no idea… Remember that those taxes are taken as a part of your margin. Like, they are the added cost of the item you sell. Also remember that the margin should be considered within the time frame. When it takes one day to make 10% margin (so SO-tax-BO=0.1×SO ) it means your money is multiplied by 100/90 every day =1.111 ; if you make 9% margin in half a day, it means your money is multiplied by 100/91 every half day, so by the square =1.207 per day. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/133 "2024-01-11T07:12:48Z")
I make 10% a day, so triple my isk each month. ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/134 "2024-01-11T23:43:14Z")
I lick my neighbors’ windows clean for $5 per sq ft. I use it to buy plex. I double my isk every 5.3 days. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/135 "2024-01-12T02:32:14Z")
Nice. What do you charge for bay windows? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/136 "2024-01-12T11:02:38Z")
nothing. Bay windows he licked himself are free. ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/137 "2024-01-12T11:36:43Z")
Ground-floor is the same price. Above that it’s $8 per sq ft. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/138 "2024-01-17T04:25:37Z")
I have an image now of a pilot licking clean the moon goo from their barge. ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/139 "2024-01-17T07:51:01Z")
I don’t do space ships. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2024, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/140 "2024-01-27T05:50:31Z")
So you just leave your ships all dirty like until they explode? ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/141 "2024-01-28T10:16:06Z")
I’m a suicide anti-gunker. My ships don’t have time to get dirty. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/142 "2024-01-28T11:47:54Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Imagine if you owned a grocery store, and you had to pay the government a tax if you changed the price of eggs - that’s asinine. But that situation does actually partly exist…minus the tax. In the UK you cannot advertise or display something as ‘reduced in price’ unless it has held the prior price for at least a certain period of time ( I think 6 weeks ). The motivation behind the law is really quite similar to that for Eve re-listing…to prevent an endless cycle of under-cutting appearing as a bargain when in fact the prices were conflated prior to the ‘sale’. > **[Anchoring Bias - The Decision Lab](https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/anchoring-bias)** > > Anchoring bias occurs when we rely heavily on the first piece of information we receive - called "the anchor" even when subsequent info becomes available. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/143 "2024-01-29T01:28:19Z")
The only item I was anchored to was obtaining Princess’s frozen corpse. Nothing else mattered, now that I had acquired such I am lost in limbo, making isk for unknown reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterious\_Intent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mysterious_intent/32/409373_2.png) [@Mysterious\_Intent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mysterious_Intent)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/144 "2024-01-30T19:12:15Z")
CCP should just do what governments the world over have done and raise taxes. Implement a monthly income tax and start sucking isk out of the game. All those new player mission rewards have to be paid for somehow, so add tax brackets and start siphoning isk from anyone with more than 1 bil in their wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/145 "2024-01-31T01:17:26Z")
Does PLEX count? If so, who would buy PLEX from CCP and then sell it for ISK - only to be subsequently taxed. I really don’t think you’ve thought this idea through… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/146 "2024-01-31T11:50:12Z")
> [@Mysterious\_Intent](#): > > All those new player mission rewards have to be paid for somehow, so add tax brackets and start siphoning isk from anyone with more than 1 bil in their wallet. Cap boosters, crystals, other ammo, nanite repair paste, Ansiblex fees, skill accelerators, skill books, yada yada yada…is more than enough ‘tax’ for those who are actually _active in the game_. Which your char doesn’t appear to have been since 2014. Plus, under your absurd system, I could just spread my ‘more than 1 billion’ across 15 accounts and pay zero tax. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterious\_Intent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mysterious_intent/32/409373_2.png) [@Mysterious\_Intent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mysterious_Intent)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/147 "2024-01-31T14:03:46Z")
You seem familiar with the concept of multiple accounts, but can’t get your head around posting from an alt? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327/148 "2024-01-31T15:12:45Z")
No…what I can’t get my head around is why you think anyone cares who your ‘main’ is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/economy-and-trading-dead/435327.md?page=8)