# \[EDENCOM\] Reporting that Striborg Clades shoots their own allies **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** roleplay\ **Created:** [March 26, 2023, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451 "2023-03-26T09:19:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Prospektor\_Schipplock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prospektor_schipplock/32/427968_2.png) [@Prospektor\_Schipplock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prospektor_Schipplock)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/1 "2023-03-26T09:19:14Z")
We encouter following ![exefile 2023-03-26 11-03-13-95](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/9/0/590fa1b0105adaed7a86e7953a6c1e8eb65eeabe.jpeg) Striborg Clade are running Flashpoints in Highsec. Just some speculation here, but why they are doing that ? Discuss… ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/2 "2023-03-26T10:36:53Z")
For the same reason the majority of capsuleers do anything: Money, shits, giggles. In whichever order of priority the mood of the day dictates. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/3 "2023-03-26T18:29:21Z")
If they want to shoot the Triglavians, I for one welcome them coming to their senses. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/4 "2023-03-26T18:46:10Z")
Until the point to fight against the same people who believe at your cause? With the premise that this could be an isolated case, how can the Collective rely on them? ---
**Author:** ![Melicien\_Tetro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melicien_tetro/32/460693_2.png) [@Melicien\_Tetro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melicien_Tetro)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/5 "2023-03-26T18:47:38Z")
Looks like Hivelinked Narodyna to me. ---
**Author:** ![Danuvia\_Za](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/danuvia_za/32/459101_2.png) [@Danuvia\_Za](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Danuvia_Za)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/6 "2023-03-26T22:21:58Z")
_All the world’s a stage,_ _And all the men and women merely Players;_ _They have their exits and their entrances,_ _And one man in his time plays many parts_ ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/7 "2023-03-27T00:20:15Z")
You seem to think the Triglobooboos ever considered them more than convenient chaff. Even I have more faith in the Trigs and their grasp on reality than that. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/8 "2023-03-27T01:32:23Z")
They are pirates. Just like any of the faction warfare militia that awoxes its own faction warfare fleet members, the keyword is piracy. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/9 "2023-03-27T12:11:34Z")
…And yet they believe to be their mouthpiece. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/10 "2023-03-27T13:39:57Z")
You do realize the 3 Clades of the Collective _shoot one another_, right? That their philosophy of ‘Cladistic Proving’ looks to include ‘when there are no other challenges to use to demonstrate that your way is valid, prove yourselves against one another’? The title of this could’ve just as easily read ‘Idiot Trig-Loyal Eggers Engage Triglavians In Predictable Display Of Triglavian Mindset’. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/11 "2023-03-27T14:28:30Z")
Which Clade was the Flashpoint one? Is this politics of attacking allied outposts in the enemy territory (Considering the fight took place NOT in Pochven) good for the Collective? Are you sure that EDENCOM could take advantage of this and repel the Triglavians completely form that Minor Victory system? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/12 "2023-03-27T14:42:20Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Which Clade was the Flashpoint one? No idea, I wasn’t there and the sensor report’s amazingly uninformative! > [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Is this politics of attacking allied outposts in the enemy territory (Considering the fight took place NOT in Pochven) good for the Collective? I’m reasonably sure the Collective would say that of course it’s good for the Collective because it keeps their skills sharp and ensures the weak and underperforming are culled, while also trimming away outlying infrastructure that can’t be properly defended (and so reducing waste of resources). It’s not exactly any _different_ than the approach humanity’s taken to this kind of thing for… ever? It’s essentially a kind of militaristic version of natural selection. > [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Are you sure that EDENCOM could take advantage of this and repel the Triglavians completely form that Minor Victory system? Why would I be sure of that? What was said that indicates I have _any_ opinion on that? ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/13 "2023-03-27T15:06:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s not exactly any _different_ than the approach humanity’s taken to this kind of thing for… ever? It’s essentially a kind of militaristic version of natural selection. Fighting with the risk to self-destroying while there’s a big threat nearby is natural selection… to prove that those “militants” aren’t good for the nature. Using this logic is dangerous for your own people. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/14 "2023-03-27T15:11:04Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Using this logic is dangerous for your own people. Life is dangerous. I’d wager the Clades would tell you that tolerating weakness, inefficiency, underperformance, etc are all far _more_ dangerous in the long-term than applying the principles of natural selection to daily interactions, and they’ve got like a thousand years of evidence to support that through their very survival. ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/15 "2023-03-27T15:24:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Life is dangerous. I’d wager the Clades would tell you that tolerating weakness, inefficiency, underperformance, etc are all far _more_ dangerous in the long-term than applying the principles of natural selection to daily interactions, and they’ve got like a thousand years of evidence to support that through their very survival. Ok but one point is doing that within the territory under proper rules. Another is doing it while if they could fight togheter they would unleashed a better force against the enemy, in enemy territory. Every entity is efficient according time and place and chance and before considering it weak, you should try all the combinations for the maximum efficiency. We saw what Kybernauts and Clades can do togheter during the Triglavian invasions; why should they start to do similar dangerous tests now? Isn’t the Abyss Deadspace enough to all the provig grounds they wanna do? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/16 "2023-03-27T15:37:14Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > Ok but one point is doing that within the territory under proper rules. ‘Proper rules’? If the entire idea is to stress the system so that weaknesses and inadequacies are exposed and rooted out, the first rule is: There are no _rules_. Rules and limitations only provide the means to perpetuated weaknesses. > [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > why should they start to do similar dangerous tests now? Why should you assume they ever _stopped_? ---
**Author:** ![Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalodote_lafisques/32/388261_2.png) [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalodote_Lafisques)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/17 "2023-03-27T15:58:06Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Why should you assume they ever _stopped_? …Assuming they ever _started_. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/18 "2023-03-27T16:58:10Z")
> [@Kalodote\_Lafisques](#): > > …Assuming they ever _started_. Assuming the Clades ever started the Cladistic Proving between Clades that we have tons of communications intercepts showing they engage in all the damned time? Not much of an assumption there. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/19 "2023-03-27T21:39:19Z")
Have to concur, it’s pretty well-documented by now. Though it’s a little unclear how formal something has to be to be a “proving” as opposed to, you know, just war. They do seem to like rules, just, only their own rules. (Best guess: it’s a “proving” if the Triglavians say it is, and it mostly just means “nothing personal.”) ---
**Author:** ![Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shintoko_akahoshi/32/362016_2.png) [@Shintoko\_Akahoshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shintoko_Akahoshi)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451/20 "2023-03-28T05:33:10Z")
More and more, it’s sounding like the Triglavians are really just like any other null sec alliance. More codified than most, I suppose… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/edencom-reporting-that-striborg-clades-shoots-their-own-allies/400451.md?page=2)