# Elite PvP vs Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 2, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957 "2024-12-02T18:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/23 "2024-12-03T01:39:34Z")
Though Sasha Nemtsov is not saying that a miner can not one day become a ganker, just that they will never become an expert at PvP / > [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > gank aspirants Hot air ? I’m okay with that as we just wanted to learn about Ganking as every miner should know about the enemy tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/24 "2024-12-03T02:36:32Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Sasha Nemtsov is not saying that a miner can not one day become a ganker, just that they will never become an expert at PvP Not if they stick to mining. It should be obvious, but I’ll state it here, for the record; a player can be both a miner _and_ a ganker (or any other combination of the current activities on offer). He may not, however, be called an ‘Elite Miner’ - Zounds! The very idea! ---
**Author:** ![Conference\_Elitest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/conference_elitest/32/441863_2.png) [@Conference\_Elitest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Conference_Elitest)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/25 "2024-12-03T02:53:32Z")
More of a Gank Enthusiast. I like that! It has a nice ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/26 "2024-12-03T04:36:50Z")
Wormholers get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/27 "2024-12-03T05:18:48Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > every miner should know about the enemy tactics Wise undertaking indeed. Just as every professional diver should know about the ways of the sharks. > [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > most pure elite highsec fighting force > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > high security combat stands as the most elite form of PvP The most elite fighting force and form of PvP are the Lowsec warriors, in my opinion. @Afrodites o7 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/28 "2024-12-03T05:23:44Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > The most elite fighting force and form of PvP are the Lowsec warriors, in my opinion. Do we include gate/smartbombing camps in this? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/29 "2024-12-03T05:26:14Z")
Smartbomb was named after the pilot. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/30 "2024-12-03T05:42:25Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > gate/smartbombing camps I made my opinion clear in another thread about that laziest form of PvP, I think that Gatecamping should be outlawed and countered by the gate guns and gate NPCs. The mechanic should be: hanging around a gate more than 2 minutes should be deemed Loitering and punishable by ship destruction. Why? The gates system is a default form of space travel due to CCP not being able to code a true form of space travel. Look at other games like Elite and No Man’s Sky: no gates between solar systems, point your ship towards the star and off you go. That gate system was a lazy way to make the players travel between system and as such should not be able to be gamed by pathetic lazy players. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Smartbomb Let’s call them Dumbombs and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/31 "2024-12-03T05:44:57Z")
> [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > The mechanic should be: hanging around a gate more than 2 minutes should be deemed Loitering and punishable by ship destruction. Can we maybe a apply a standing to this idea, ie: if in (specific) Empire space, your standing is \< 5.0 then this applies. \> 5.0, no effect. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/32 "2024-12-03T05:49:18Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > \< 5.0 then this applies. \> 5.0, no effect Maybe. There needs to be a concensus. But that hanging around gates like drunks around a liquor store is total bs. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/33 "2024-12-03T05:54:33Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > I would like to have your opinions regarding Ganking and Elite PvP and if you think that the two are one and the same. Personally I think that suspect hunting, particularly given that many targets are deliberate bait, is way more ‘elite’. Sure there’s a proportion of easy targets, but there’s also a high proportion of targets that can and do fight back. I actually enjoy taking on the deliberate baiters. To me this is ‘real PvP’ and I’m getting increasingly better at it. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/34 "2024-12-03T05:57:50Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > suspect hunting Yes, I can consider suspect hunting as being Elite PvP. There’s nothing lazy about that form of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/35 "2024-12-03T08:18:48Z")
What about market PvP? 🧐 🙃 > [@Hatch\_Nasty](#): > > … Facing a Frostpacker’s `wordsalad` is the ultimate challenge if you value your sanity. 🤭 > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > … So are you implying gankers and nullseccers are both F1 monkeys without actual skill while lowseccers are the _real_ PvPers? 🤔 > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Chad is no miner! 😏 😇 😊 > [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > The frost packers are gank aspirants only dreaming to be counted amongst the truest most pure elite highsec fighting force. ![maxresdefault](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/9/b/b9b9edc351e5d654549b0b2d52918e3a2caea336.jpeg) 🍿 😈 🍿 > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > He may not, however, be called an ‘Elite Miner’ - Zounds! The very idea! So apparently the Frostpacker is neither an elite miner nor an elite ganker. 🤔 🍿 > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Smartbomb I’ve heard using smart bombs in hisec is very smart. 😉 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/36 "2024-12-03T10:03:48Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > **Hunting a tiger with a spear.** > That’s the Null-Sec warrior for sure. lol, no. That’s the small gang that popped into space via a filament or through a WH connection. Your average nullbear doesn’t ‘hunt’. They sit enough vargurs to blot out the sun on a titan in their staging system, ready to drop on the aforementioned small gang/WH crew in their space. The average nullbear barely qualifies as an F1 Monkey. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/37 "2024-12-03T12:37:28Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > What about market PvP? 🧐 Scamming your corpmates is part of life for a jump frighter pilot, isn’t it? Those don’t live in highsec… … though scamming others in highsec needs more skill to pull off then scamming others in null needs, since you have more competition in highsec, after all. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Wormholers get my vote. +1 > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The whole question is, what is “elite” ? Depending on your credit card, rather then your skill, is “elite”. ---
**Author:** ![Afrodites](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/afrodites/32/442712_2.png) [@Afrodites](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Afrodites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/38 "2024-12-03T13:43:29Z")
I thank all of you for providing me with a kaleidoscope of opinions on what kind of pilots are Elite in New Eden. I understand that through vain pride every group may consider itself “Elite”. I cook for 5 men in my household, my husband, my three sons and brother-in-law and although I have never attended a culinary school, I consider myself an Elite chef. I have chosen a few bits of comments that have retained my attention for verious reasons and shall now attempt to respond according to what I have learned reading all of your responses. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Any 12 year old playing COD is more elite I strongly agree, sir. Two of my boys have been playing CoD since it came out and I’m very impressed by their skills. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Most of the time, the word is just used to show appreciation for a certain style, and contempt for other styles. And that is why discussions like this exist, there is no agreed upon definition While I am not looking for general agreement, I can nonetheless make up my mind and have an opinion. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > One example is a ganker doesn’t use the same tools for their ship to gank while an elite PvP pilot would use tactics such as the rubber band method to increase their ability to evade damage I strongly agree with your statement, sir. Methods do matter a lot in deciding who is Elite and who is a bum. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > The term can not, of course, be applied to miners and practitioners of other non-PvP I strongly disagree, sir. Every career has its Elite class just like all armies’ specializations have their Elite groups. Miners in New Eden are no less important than any other capsuleers and to denigrate them demonstrate either an ‘elitist’ mentality ( which isn’t ‘Elite’ but much lower like gutter-like ) or a low IQ. > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > Take a seat, and allow me to hand you the knowledge that you seek I wasn’t seeking any knowledge, sir, and for you to pretend to impart any on me is rather haughty and narcissistic of you. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > every miner should know about the enemy tactics I strongly agree with this statement. Every Elite Miner should be familiar with what he’s up against. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Wormholers get my vote I didn’t include Wormholers because I do not have that experience but your opinion is valued just the same, sir. > [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > The most elite fighting force and form of PvP are the Lowsec warriors, in my opinion Knowing what I know now, I tend to agree with you, sir. Lowsecers are some tough warriors to be feared and respected. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Personally I think that suspect hunting, particularly given that many targets are deliberate bait, is way more ‘elite’. I very much agree with you, ma’am. Suspect Hunting must be tough and obviously needs highly honed skills and a high IQ. All in all, I have made up mind on which Capsuleers in New Eden are the most Elite and the answer is obvious to me. The highs: **Low-security** warriors get my vote by far. Closely followed by the cleaver **Suspect Hunters** The Lows: **Gankers** are rather pathetic by far. Closely followed by **Gatecampers** who are more weasles than anything else. I wish everyone have a good day now 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ogun\_Ferraille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ogun_ferraille/32/467938_2.png) [@Ogun\_Ferraille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ogun_Ferraille)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/39 "2024-12-03T13:55:56Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > 5 men in my household and you can also play EVE and interact in the forum. You are absolute Elite! Respect. ---
**Author:** ![Afrodites](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/afrodites/32/442712_2.png) [@Afrodites](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Afrodites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/40 "2024-12-03T14:05:53Z")
> [@Ogun\_Ferraille](#): > > and you can also play EVE and interact in the forum I only cook for them. They’re grownups, they take care of themselves. Only **one** gets my undivided attention 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shion\_Ishii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shion_ishii/32/389684_2.png) [@Shion\_Ishii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shion_Ishii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/41 "2024-12-03T15:27:02Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > > [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > > > their methods which > > Are you implying that ganking is not _real_ PvP? 🤔 > > 😏 😇 😊 About as PvP as a price war on the market. Make of that what you will. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/42 "2024-12-03T16:00:35Z")
Ganking is a repetitive formula, not necessarily a skillful, brilliant execution. Until EVE provides a solo-able solution, Ganking will be king no matter the location or sec. And it’s such undemanding task, that it doesn’t deserve a place in the same sentence. Maybe I think of “Elite” as an individual. For any other case, most are just drones making use of the provided mechanics advantages for Ganking. EVE will never deliver: There will never be a place for Elite near ganking in EVE. So you don’t need no Elite… just more friends and a simple formula with easy tasks per individual so your gaming be mistaken as elite and make it to the forums. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957.md?page=3)