# Elite PvP vs Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 2, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957 "2024-12-02T18:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/43 "2024-12-03T16:50:40Z")
I say it for him. They aren’t pvpers. They are baby seal clubbers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/44 "2024-12-03T17:04:26Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > They aren’t pvpers Well, I’d certainly be ashamed to fly a huge machine of death and use it to explode an exploration or mining ship. Would be like Capt’n Picard using the Enterprise’s photon torpedoes to kill a Tribble. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/45 "2024-12-03T17:06:56Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > While I am not looking for general agreement, Don’t worry, you will never achieve it. That’s what you get with controversial matter. > [@Afrodites](#): > > I can nonetheless make up my mind and have an opinion. Thanks to the diversity of the responses, it may even grow into an informed opinion on how the community feels about the topic, but not _per se_ on “who is elite”. On the other hand, if you can keep an open mind and enough distance from the topic and have enough dispassionate knowledge about any playstyles in question, the conclusion could be that the original question has no valid answer, since there are no (agreed upon) criteria to define “elite”. If you were to look for “elite” teams, not necessarily individuals, in a controlled setting that allows comparison and ranking, maybe the Alliance Tournament top teams would fit the moniker. The same is true for individual pilots successful in abyssal pvp where, again, the same rules _and_ expectations applied to everyone, in the same setting. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/46 "2024-12-03T17:20:22Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > They are baby seal clubbers Save the seals and please start clubbing squirrels 🐿 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/47 "2024-12-03T17:22:12Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > squirrels The Frostpacker and the Squirrel… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/0/7/607ba61c89bea1c9e652d6fbe799ec177a7f399b.jpeg "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation | Squirrel Scene | Warner Bros. Entertainment") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjI3w_FGU1U) 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/48 "2024-12-03T17:31:22Z")
Squirrels are elite PvP pilots known as Aiko’s bodyguards 🐿 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/49 "2024-12-03T18:41:24Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > I wasn’t seeking any knowledge, sir, and for you to pretend to impart any on me is rather haughty and narcissistic of you. I was not seeking any backtalk from a citizen-aspirant. The most capable elite fighting force in New Eden will continue to operate, regardless of your rage and thinly veiled disparagement. I am looking forward to have you as a guest in our miner rehabilitation chat. With honorable regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Conference\_Elitest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/conference_elitest/32/441863_2.png) [@Conference\_Elitest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Conference_Elitest)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/50 "2024-12-03T18:43:53Z")
I concur that was very rude to Mr Fuchs that took the time and effort to set the record straight! ---
**Author:** ![Afrodites](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/afrodites/32/442712_2.png) [@Afrodites](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Afrodites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/51 "2024-12-03T19:03:04Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > I was not seeking any backtalk from a citizen-aspirant Well you got some now so you’re just going to have to get used to it. And the fact that you have to respond in that whiny tone tells me that you’re the one who is raging. I didn’t expect any less from a worthless ganker. > [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > took the time and effort to set the record straight! If that’s what you call “set the record straight” then Madoff is on the line for you, something about buying a bridge in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/52 "2024-12-03T19:06:24Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > whiny tone James Fuchs sounds like an Aiko Bodyguard. ---
**Author:** ![Afrodites](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/afrodites/32/442712_2.png) [@Afrodites](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Afrodites)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/53 "2024-12-03T19:10:18Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Bodyguard. He looks like one too. All brawn no brains. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/54 "2024-12-03T19:49:42Z")
Nah they are space smart. You need to focus a little longer before throwing out banter / > [@Afrodites](#): > > All brawn no brains. actually whining requires a level of knowledge of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/55 "2024-12-04T16:16:23Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > you’re on the ganker/PvP bottom feeder end of things. Very well spoken 👏 > [@Hatch\_Nasty](#): > > Hunting a rabbit with a rifle. \*Shotgun. > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > often trained I’m not even sure that they’re potty trained. > [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](#): > > the ways of the sharks. Parana, at best. And just like parana, they’re scared to death of a “fair fight”. > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > using smart bombs They pad their KB’s with them all the time. Brainlet started it and even @Jason_Kusion uses them now. I call “party foul”. > [@Xucca](#): > > Maybe I think of “Elite” as an individual. Jason is the only ganker that I work call “elite”. > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > will continue to operate Until it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/56 "2024-12-05T17:28:14Z")
if there’s a kill report then it is pvp, if the battlereport shows multiple attackers vs one target then it is a gank ( **gan** g **k** ill) stating the obvious is a necessity these days ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/57 "2024-12-05T17:38:26Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > they’re scared to death of a “fair fight” There’s no fair fight in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/58 "2024-12-05T17:43:54Z")
Most other fights are far more fair than what gankers do 🙂 at least those massive null fighters aren’t clubbing baby seals in hs. Usually. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/59 "2024-12-05T17:48:52Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > at least those massive null fighters aren’t clubbing baby seals in hs. Usually. I agree, but every MMO have their share of lazy players who attack the weak and inexperienced and none of them have come up with a good idea to counter that. CCP cannot afford to lose their lazy players now. Maybe later. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/60 "2024-12-05T17:53:03Z")
I think they would be surprised at the increased retention rate of newer players honestly. I’ve spoken to a lot of people who quit playing a month or two into the game and a good portion of them say it’s because of gankers or the toxicity they bring. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/61 "2024-12-05T17:54:07Z")
> [@Afrodites](#): > > **Hunting a tiger with a spear.** > That’s the Null-Sec warrior for sure. Let me fix that for you: Running instantly and hiding in bunkers if anyone enters the area that _could_ even remotely be a Tiger. And if it is confirmed it is only a Racoon, then go hunting it with like 50 plasma-energy-laserspears while having nuclear powered forcefield shielding and a 500 man elephants-with-nuke-artillery army as backup throug a magic teleporter. Thats essentially nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yhwh_is_lord/32/444382_2.png) [@YHWH\_Is\_Lord](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/YHWH_Is_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957/62 "2024-12-05T17:55:36Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > I think they would be surprised at the increased retention rate of newer players honestly. I’ve spoken to a lot of people who quit playing a month or two into the game and a good portion of them say it’s because of gankers or the toxicity they bring I don’t doubt that for a second. I myself have quit several times because of it. That’s why I now mine in Lowsec in free Ventures. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/elite-pvp-vs-ganking/469957.md?page=4)