# Empire mining, hard for the little guy to compete **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 20, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709 "2020-05-20T09:52:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/1 "2020-05-20T09:52:09Z")
Seriously, why even log if I know when I fly to an ice belt a guy will soon land with a providence, 10 skiffs, and an Orca. This is someone the developers should target because it ruins gameplay for those interested in industrial activities. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/2 "2020-05-20T09:55:30Z")
You play your way…they will play their way. Deal with it. Move to another system… ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/3 "2020-05-20T10:06:41Z")
Mine clouds in a WH Alternatively start ganking them Fight over the resources, simple really ---
**Author:** ![Yberta\_Molk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yberta_molk/32/273039_2.png) [@Yberta\_Molk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yberta_Molk)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/4 "2020-05-20T10:15:35Z")
Fit out a Porpoise with a fast fit, use as a truck with packaged Proc or Skiff in fleet hanger. Tour the ice belts, build a regular route. You are much more reactive than anyone tied to one system. You will always get your quota, use Porp to haul back your compressed ice. Plus Porp makes a good salvage platform, while ice cutting bookmark any combat sites and go get free salvage. Fit an expanded launcher to your Porp, go get those nice augmented drones that are left behind. Fun+Profit. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/5 "2020-05-20T10:22:58Z")
Warde… Oh wait. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/6 "2020-05-20T10:56:31Z")
There are numerous regions of space with low player activity and plenty of relatively untapped ice belts - you can hit those up instead. And, of course, you’re welcome to venture into lowsec and nullsec where you have the capability of fighting off competitors without CONCORD intervention. If you can’t do this on your own, strength comes in numbers with different people fulfilling different roles in a mining fleet, including combat roles. This is an MMO, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/7 "2020-05-20T11:09:48Z")
How many blocks a minute could a setup like that mine? ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/8 "2020-05-20T11:14:36Z")
High sec ice is worth less than veldspar. They’re mining it because the cubes take a long time to tap out. You should go where the money is instead. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/9 "2020-05-20T12:02:49Z")
> [@Nico\_Christened](#): > > Seriously, why even log if I know when I fly to an ice belt a guy will soon land with a providence, 10 skiffs, and an Orca. This is someone the developers should target because it ruins gameplay for those interested in industrial activities. They out-played you. No need to get angry just because you were beat. Instead, come join Code. You can gank these guys and kill them and make them whine. Dont be a part of the problem. Be the solution. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/10 "2020-05-20T12:04:30Z")
Or just ask to fleet up… –Gadget says work together ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/11 "2020-05-20T12:15:37Z")
supersize a large MWD onto a Stabber Fleet Issue and ram them out ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/12 "2020-05-20T14:05:23Z")
Imagine being so bad at EVE you have trouble mining in Highsec of all places and cry on the forums about it ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/13 "2020-05-20T14:06:20Z")
> [@Nico\_Christened](#): > > Seriously, why even log if I know when I fly to an ice belt a guy will soon land with a providence, 10 skiffs, and an Orca. This is someone the developers should target because it ruins gameplay for those interested in industrial activities. Why don’t you deal with it yourself? CCP is not your mummy. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/14 "2020-05-20T15:31:22Z")
If this thread isn’t indicative that CCP needs to get rid of all resource generation from high-sec (and move those missions and incursion farms away as well), I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/15 "2020-05-20T15:34:38Z")
wut they complain about the CODE , they complain about the trigs , now they are complaining about other miners good lord ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/16 "2020-05-20T15:37:12Z")
Theres too many brown rocks and not enough sparkly ones pls fix ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/17 "2020-05-20T15:41:12Z")
brown rocks? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/18 "2020-05-20T15:41:39Z")
![Captura de Tela 2020-05-20 às 12.38.55](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/d/bd5781f33fc6a2fa6589a0623ba787adcd07196f.png) clueless noob , in a null sec alliance this trend is disgusting cant eve play like 3 days solo to fell the game, this forum is depressing some times ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/19 "2020-05-20T15:55:11Z")
Start 10 alt accounts and bring your own Providence, 10 Skiffs and an Orca. 12 paying accounts. CCP approves. Almost like Eve Online is pay-to-win… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709/20 "2020-05-20T15:58:53Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > Start 10 alt accounts and bring your own Providence, 10 Skiffs and an Orca. 12 paying accounts. CCP approves. Almost like Eve Online is pay-to-win… Start 12 paying accounts, train for Catalyst/Talos on each, gank the Providence, tell the owner that it will keep happening unless he pays 25% of net income in protection every month, repeat with other mining “groups” you see. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/empire-mining-hard-for-the-little-guy-to-compete/242709.md?page=2)