# Encounter Surveillance System projected to be a "Permanent thing" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650 "2020-07-02T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/185 "2020-07-04T17:36:44Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > It was a question… not a realistic scenario… good god. What is the point of asking a question that is so far detached from reality that the answer tells us nothing of value? > First of all: i love how you dont even see krabs as people. Because they aren’t people. They’re NPCs, and not even very interesting ones. > Second: even pvp eventually died out during blackout, but it kinda ruins your narrative, so i guess we will just ignore that. Only because CCP didn’t give it enough time. They panicked when they saw RMT botter subscription income dropping and reversed the change. There wasn’t enough time for accumulated supplies of ships/minerals/etc to be depleted and for nullsec groups to be _forced_ to come out of their stations. And the up-front statement that it was only going to be a temporary experiment encouraged this attitude of avoiding loss and waiting for the interruption to end. Make it a permanent thing and people would have to figure out a way to play without local, just like they do in WH space. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/186 "2020-07-04T17:37:26Z")
Ce fil est plein de larmes salées et de souffrance. Je l’aime. I’m not sure if this is a cloaked afk cloaky thread, a grr CCP thread, a we’ll all leave thread or a throw a tantrum and stupid ideas around thread. It could be a bargain where we get all four thrown in for the price of one. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d83badea302450ee0d2c35f6b5a253c8e630de44.gif) My apologies to the French for the way I murder their language, but I am English and it is my historic duty to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Country\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_country_boy/32/282041_2.png) [@Big\_Country\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Country_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/187 "2020-07-04T17:39:28Z")
or it could be the typical forum crayon munchers showing IQ levels again ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/188 "2020-07-04T17:40:20Z")
Is it possible to demonstrate a negative IQ without being a strange hue and having a terribad toupee? ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Country\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_country_boy/32/282041_2.png) [@Big\_Country\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Country_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/189 "2020-07-04T17:41:41Z")
they certainly try to at times ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/190 "2020-07-04T17:45:13Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > In the end, we can’t even guarantee that the members of the CSM really bring up what we wish them to bring up. There simply is none. The NDA protects CCP’s interest, which extends to the CSM. We can not ever be sure that we get to know what they’re actually talking about. Sadly true, but I know that some of us CSM try. Others I am not even sure if they made any promises, or needed to. They were voted in on the power of blocs. But I am working on stuff I said I would be working on and doing my best to keep my word. That includes reading this thread and shaking my head. m ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Country\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_country_boy/32/282041_2.png) [@Big\_Country\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Country_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/191 "2020-07-04T17:48:33Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > That includes reading this thread and shaking my head. I feel you there Mike, but that’s been forums for the most part for the longest time. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/192 "2020-07-04T17:52:46Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Sadly true, but I know that some of us CSM try. Others I am not even sure if they made any promises, or needed to. They were voted in on the power of blocs. But I am working on stuff I said I would be working on and doing my best to keep my word. You, Sir, are the _only_ one I am willing to trust and believe in. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/193 "2020-07-04T17:52:58Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > I simply dont believe that new ESS will not become yet another horror from CCP I think every change made in game has that potential. Not because of the change but because of the skill of Eve Players to exploit, reutilise, imagine, and loophole any tool given them. So some of the CSM are asking questions about the proposed ESS, trying to help fine tune and identify some of the obvious concerns. To that regard I am here, reading. Looking for solid questions and concerns, not just ‘woe the sky it be a fallin’ ‘5 accts unsubbed’. m ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/194 "2020-07-04T17:56:12Z")
I actually considered to write a full response, including some facts about wh mechanics and difference between your words and actual activity in null but with that point of view “they are not even humans, they have to do this and that, have to be nerfed and forced while god forbid i gotta do anything extra to achieve my goals”, yeah, this kind of attituda is not a good ground for any conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/195 "2020-07-04T17:56:37Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Looking for solid questions and concerns, Have you found any? > not just ‘woe the sky it be a fallin’ ‘5 accts unsubbed’. That’s just the standard hand-wringing from those that are afraid of adapting to change; because it might involve some thinking and effort. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/196 "2020-07-04T18:00:23Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Have you found any? well one that I am keeping in the back of my mind, . . . can it be botted. m ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Country\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_country_boy/32/282041_2.png) [@Big\_Country\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Country_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/197 "2020-07-04T18:01:13Z")
anything can be botted really, it’s a question of does anyone want to. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/198 "2020-07-04T18:01:57Z")
Well there are no real mechanics that are known for us at this moment, so i would not expect much questions or concerns from players yet. You are right about the potential and reasons for that potential, no question about it. What scares me though is yet another great idea from CCP “yeah, that´s how it will work” despite players future concerns “it will be exploited like this” which CCP will just ignore by thinking “nah, it will be fine”. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/199 "2020-07-04T18:18:16Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > What scares me though is yet another great idea from CCP “yeah, that´s how it will work” despite players future concerns “it will be exploited like this” which CCP will just ignore by thinking “nah, it will be fine”. I have seen this WAYY too often while serving on the CSM. Enough that at times I feel like I am suffering from a Cassandra complex. But that does not stop me from trying. m ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/200 "2020-07-04T18:28:18Z")
Sir, i beg you: try to convince them that they are not the smartest people on earth. I´m still bewildered by some of their desicions. I wish you nothing but success with that. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/201 "2020-07-04T18:29:35Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > yeah, this kind of attituda is not a good ground for any conversation. Nor is an assumption that farmer trash is anything but NPCs. It does everything it possibly can to avoid any meaningful interaction with other players, so why should its opinions on the subject be considered? ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/202 "2020-07-04T18:34:00Z")
Why should your opinion be considered? Because you openly call other people who dont have same gameplay as you for “trash”? And if it is not enough: you even dont consider them being people. What a great interaction right there. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/203 "2020-07-04T18:35:36Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > i love how you dont even see krabs as people. Are they subhumans or what? I love it too. The answer is no, lower forms are neither sub nor pro evolutionary successors in anything but the passage of time. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/204 "2020-07-04T18:37:45Z")
> [@Daro\_Mozu](#): > > Why should your opinion be considered? Because I understand game design, unlike some people in this thread. > Because you openly call other people who dont have same gameplay as you for “trash”? Wrong. I call people who demand non-interactive risk-free farming trash, because they incessantly lobby for changes that harm the game while adding nothing of value. Plenty of people do things I don’t personally enjoy without being trash. > And if it is not enough: you even dont consider them being people. How exactly are they people? They’re non-interactive NPCs in the background. Replace them with literal NPC ships and most people would never notice the difference, except that the forums would be much more reasonable and productive. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=11)