# Encounter Surveillance System projected to be a "Permanent thing" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650 "2020-07-02T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/267 "2020-09-24T02:23:10Z")
Nice necro. I forgot this was even a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/268 "2020-09-24T02:55:06Z")
Has permanent ESS been released yet? I don’t remember reading it in the patch notes. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/269 "2020-09-24T03:17:41Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > One of the many reasons I retired from Null is that AU-TZ seems to be really good at diluting itself into a bunch of EU/NA corporations, or forming small corporations that never grow to the point that they can ‘do’ anything. Ok? Why should CCP compensate for your collective choice to avoid having an AU TZ presence? > Its this kind of attitude as to why I left Null, this expectation that I alarm clock on a regular basis or I am seen as ‘not contributing’ and told to go somewhere else. Well yes, a player who wants to use an alliance’s space for farming but refuses to contribute to organized alliance activities is the definition of “parasite”. Why should you get farming space when you aren’t offering anything in return? ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/270 "2020-09-25T12:31:21Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Ok? Why should CCP compensate for your collective choice to avoid having an AU TZ presence? None of us are as dumb as all of us, yet CCP keeps pulling some half baked puddings out of the oven. Don’t like instanced PvP? Don’t do it. Don’t like factional warfare? Don’t go to low security space. Don’t like wars? Don’t join a corporation. There’s a theme developing there, which leads down this pathway > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Well yes, a player who wants to use an alliance’s space for farming but refuses to contribute to organized alliance activities is the definition of “parasite”. Why should you get farming space when you aren’t offering anything in return? So what is the contribution? Those ADM’s don’t raise themselves. Oh, right, its not like they really mean anything apart from some minor structure restrictions. Still, its not worth getting bleated at by entitled NA/EU twits who wouldn’t get up for AU-TZ timers if their balls were on fire. Don’t go to Null security space. CCP, in the words of Ru Paul, try not to fcuk it up and maybe, just maybe, 0.0 will be worthwhile and interesting again. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/271 "2020-09-25T12:48:28Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Explain then how even a max scan character is supposed to scan down an even half competent cruiser that keeps bouncing around a system ? Easy, though you will land at an empty space since cruiser will already be gone. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Awoxing with a spy alt still gets kills though, so who is to say what is right or wrong? Aha, if you are awoxing then your spy alt will be yeeted out of alliance pretty damn quick. Enjoy working on another spy account. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Its probably lost in translation, there is a difference between PvE done by bots and the honest folk actually earning their rewards. There is, unfortunately that dude sees PVE players as trash because they resuse to feed. Why he is not a PVE trash if he refuses to feed - that´s anyones guess. ---
**Author:** ![King\_Aequitas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/king_aequitas/32/309509_2.png) [@King\_Aequitas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/King_Aequitas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/272 "2020-11-16T10:37:44Z")
Que bot changes to now have Thief bots roaming from system to system just to steal from everyone WELL DONE CPP made out lives SO much better ---
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/273 "2020-11-16T11:42:38Z")
Boomers do know what the phrase means, trust me. Still say “Ok Boomer” in irony or in a sarcastic way. Your prejudice is real, though, but the joke is on you because you seem to believe “boomers” no longer understand the world they’re living in just because they are older than you. The fact that you believe they dont know this makes you the joke here. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/274 "2020-11-16T17:01:33Z")
> [@King\_Aequitas](#): > > Que bot changes to now have Thief bots roaming from system to system just to steal from everyone If the thieves are just bots you should have no problem killing them and protecting your ESS. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/275 "2020-11-16T17:07:26Z")
> [@King\_Aequitas](#): > > now have Thief bots roaming from system to system Why can’t you see them roaming system to system, set up a gatecamp and bubble, and report them on intel channels? Plus, you have 5 minutes to defend yourself against **BOTS** even if they start stealing, it’s not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/276 "2020-11-16T18:47:54Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Do you know how weird it is to be clustered together with Scoots, Merin, tutucox, Destiny, and Solstice at the same time? Man I mustve lost some Levels this season Edit: ah crap this is from _July_. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/277 "2020-11-16T19:18:53Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > If the thieves are just bots you should have no problem killing them and protecting your ESS If the Krabs are just bots you should have no problem killing them and looting their stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/278 "2020-11-16T20:47:07Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > If the Krabs are just bots you should have no problem killing them Bots actually dock up the second a neutral appears in the local list. Unless you have a ship that’s able to land tackle on them in 5-6 seconds, you’re not going to catch krabbing bots. This is also one of the big reasons why most bot hunters (like me) just tell people not to bother killing bots because it’s not worth your time and effort. Rather, you just report them to CCP and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/289 "2020-11-16T22:27:40Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > If the Krabs are just bots you should have no problem killing them and looting their stuff. Do you honestly not understand the difference between a bot as the defender and a bot as the aggressor? A farming bot can win by docking up as soon as a non-blue name enters local, an ESS thief bot loses if it warps away from the ESS and would have to engage in PvP combat to win. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/294 "2020-11-17T09:46:53Z")
Yeah i was being ironic cause the guy said " if the roamers are bots you should be able to kill them easily" ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/295 "2020-11-17T09:48:07Z")
Do you mean sarcastic? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/296 "2020-11-17T09:48:35Z")
Yes sorry not a native English speaker ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/297 "2020-11-17T09:49:42Z")
Easy mistake, many people who are english speakers get those mixed up too. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/298 "2020-11-17T11:20:04Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > i was being ironic cause the guy said " if the roamers are bots you should be able to kill them easily" You do get the difference between roaming bots in hostile space and local ratting bots right? And how Scoots reply had nothing to do with roaming bots? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/299 "2020-11-17T14:55:33Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > And how Scoots reply had nothing to do with roaming bots? All bots are programmed to be risk averse, so the point remains ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/300 "2020-11-17T14:57:36Z")
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