# Encounter Surveillance System projected to be a "Permanent thing" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650 "2020-07-02T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/301 "2020-11-17T16:15:03Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > All bots are programmed to be risk averse, so the point remains Except the point doesn’t remain. A risk-averse farming bot will never lose because all it needs to do to win a PvP fight is dock up before the attacker can catch it, and local gives more than enough warning to do this. A risk-averse ESS stealing bot will never win because if it uses the same “dock up as soon as someone appears in local” tactic as the farming bot it will never be able to steal from the ESS. All you have to do to block it is keep any random player in local at all times. Do you honestly not see the difference between these two situations? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/302 "2020-11-17T16:17:43Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > A risk-averse ESS stealing bot will never win because if it uses the same “dock up as soon as someone appears in local” tactic as the farming bot it will never be able to steal from the ESS. All you have to do to block it is keep any random player in local at all times. Tell that to the 2 secs align explorer bots. If someone get in grid they just ab out and warp. they can work 23,5/7 so they WILL find empty ess with bounties unclaimed/ not defended some time. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/303 "2020-11-17T16:20:07Z")
except that this is just speculation because there is no bots in eve online ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/304 "2020-11-17T16:25:17Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > If someone get in grid they just ab out and warp. Then all you have to do is keep a random alpha account on grid and your ESS is safe. Problem solved. And who cares if they find some idiot that didn’t defend their ESS? What matters is that they don’t steal from _your_ ESS. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/305 "2020-11-17T16:27:43Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And who cares if they find some idiot that didn’t defend their ESS? What matters is that they don’t steal from _your_ ESS. There’s the problem with most forum people. They only think about their own game and not the big picture. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/306 "2020-11-17T16:40:36Z")
Its actually endemic in EvE itself. There is nothing, absolutely nothing in game that encourages people to consider things beyond their assets or to group up except personal asset gain. When everyone plays the capitalist, what else is there? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/307 "2020-11-17T16:48:24Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > There is nothing, absolutely nothing in game that encourages people to consider things beyond their assets or to group up except personal asset gain. People will group up when it’s in their best interest. This happens all the time in the game. As well as CCP creating mechanics to encourage it. Forum suggestion/demands tend to be made through the myopic view of one persons personal play style. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/308 "2020-11-17T16:51:29Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > People will group up when it’s in their best interest. This happens all the time in the game. As well as CCP creating mechanics to encourage it. I believe I mentioned that > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > asset gain And forgot to put in the caveat that even then its unlikely unless you either know the person, or are fortunate enough to be invited into a group where size trumps risk of just being taken for a ride. But you are correct on what people on forums are like, and though I have met a number of people I would corp with like me they tend not to because theres no advantage for us to. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/309 "2020-11-17T17:01:34Z")
Forum people also tend to take general statements as personal attacks. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/310 "2020-11-17T17:16:21Z")
They also tend to make general attacks and call them personal opinions 😉 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/311 "2020-11-17T19:24:18Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Then all you have to do is keep a random alpha account on grid and your ESS is safe. Problem solved. Yeah then you have your income cut in half( more if dinamic is less than 100% and WAY more if you actually lose the ship) so it’s better to CHANGE ACTIVITY , how hard is that to understand? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/312 "2020-11-17T22:49:05Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > Yeah then you have your income cut in half How is your income cut in half by putting a single unfitted T1 frigate next to the ESS? ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/313 "2020-11-18T00:36:15Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > How is your income cut in half by putting a single unfitted T1 frigate next to the ESS? You do know frigates can’t go into the ESS right? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/314 "2020-11-18T01:23:12Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > You do know frigates can’t go into the ESS right You don’t need to. Put the T1 frigate close enough to appear on d-scan next to the ESS and the risk-averse bot will run away. In fact, it will probably run away even if the T1 frigate is docked just because there’s a non-blue name in local, but appearing on d-scan will guarantee it. Or, if you really want to have a ship literally next to the ESS you can do it with an unfitted T1 cruiser and the price difference is negligible. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/315 "2020-11-18T01:39:33Z")
Removed some off topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/316 "2020-11-18T06:21:31Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > You do know frigates can’t go into the ESS right You do know that the concept is still the same regardless of the specific class of ships that enter the ESS, right? You can have a hull tanked Vexor, or a max Armor plated Maller, and it would do _the exact same thing_ that is being referenced as a general concept. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/317 "2021-02-16T06:21:37Z")
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