# Encounter Surveillance System projected to be a "Permanent thing" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650 "2020-07-02T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/102 "2020-07-03T12:17:30Z")
if we make abyss T5 only in 0.0 a lot of ‘elit pvp’ player will cry. The whole problem of CCP is they have boost income from safe space, and reduce 0.0 by saying 0.0 is to safe… But the fact is 0.0 was never safe. The only thing who have make 0.0 safe is the factr CCP was incompetent to give incensitive to make roamer roam and win money. It’s why in the old ERA permanent ESS will be a very good thing. But now with all nerf and fact 0.0 start to be trash tier for money generation, nerf it again will juste make people leave 0.0 … or leave the game by lack of trust in futur of CCP gaming. ---
**Author:** ![Niriam\_DoT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niriam_dot/32/283318_2.png) [@Niriam\_DoT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niriam_DoT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/103 "2020-07-03T12:27:22Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > 10/10 =\> you really think you have enought for all player ? So what’s “enough” for you? I was running 2-3 a day, maybe twice a week. More than enough to sustain an plex an account. And guys in anoms were printing those like hot cakes. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Machariel farming =\> i hope you make more of 45 M or ti(s you who don’t know how to play. I make around 15kk\hour. 24/7, 30 days a month. Most of this time spent offline, obviously, > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > More CCP will nerf, more price will increase, harder it will be to people to buy things. If you spend you’re whole time to replace what you loose and make no or near no benefits, you will just go to a game where you could evolve. Ever heard of how economy works? If there is no demand on current price, prices go down. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > You realise it’s this kind of mentality who kill the game ? Blackout syndrom =\> if people can’t play, they will just stop play and not "evolve’ to a game style they don’t want. And you are stuck with the mentality of anything lowering your isk\hour being bad to the game as a whole > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > is 45kk much? 350kk t5 abyss in HS is ok? I’ll admit, my experience with running anoms ended around 7 years ago, there were no abyssals those days. I am too really confused by the fact, that CCP takes too much time to return suspect timer for t4 and t5 abyss runs Still, t2 fitted mach I was using is an order of magnitude cheaper than those abyss gilas+ their pods, hat get ganked regularly on the exit from abyss run ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/104 "2020-07-03T12:32:20Z")
> [@Niriam\_DoT](#): > > I’ll admit, my experience with running anoms ended around 7 years ago, there were no abyssals those days. I am too really confused by the fact, that CCP takes too much time to return suspect timer for t4 and t5 abyss runs Dont get me wrong but it´s kinda the main thing here: i´m not against adjusting nullsec income but not before other places like highsec can outmatch nullsec in iskmaking. And i would rather farm abyssals in highsec than null or lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/105 "2020-07-03T12:32:40Z")
you have not enought 10/10 for all active player. so you not viable. Yes PI is great. Just check price you will understand price skyrocket. Congrats to proof us you don’t read market. I don’t care of ISK hour. if you think that you haven’t understand all argument i give. Actually with all nerf it will kill the game. In the precedent era it will be a great idea. You are stuck on “ho no 0.0 make more ISK than me”. (and guess what actually you make more ISK outside 0.0). And you’re final sentence proof you have no idea how 0.0 farm works, so you could justy avoid to speack when you don’t know game mechanism. Thank. Problem of CCP : They listen a lot of people who don’t farm, and do’nt know how to farm. It’s why blackout was a trash tier idea and it’s why this idea is a trash tier idea actually. Great idea on paper if you listen “community” bad idea if you think 5 second of implication. ---
**Author:** ![Niriam\_DoT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niriam_dot/32/283318_2.png) [@Niriam\_DoT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niriam_DoT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/106 "2020-07-03T12:45:30Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > you have not enought 10/10 for all active player. so you not viable. Once more - define “enough” > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Yes PI is great. > > Just check price you will understand price skyrocket. Congrats to prood us you don’t read market. Please specify the items you are speaking about. I just checked t4 PI and it is even at best in the last few months, most getting cheaper. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > I don’t care of ISK hour. if you think that you haven’t understand all argument i give. Actually with all nerf it will kill the game. In the precedent era it will be a great idea. You are stuck on “ho no 0.0 make more ISK than me”. (and guess what actually you make more ISK outside 0.0). I absolutely do make more isk, than most of the nullsec bears, that don’t run mothership crabbing 40 hours a week. But that has nothing to do with the discussion, because I am not printing isk and actually only dumping it from the economy in the process, unlike all the nullbears. Oh, and I’m not doing it in higsec either, so don’t bother with the examples. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > And you’re final sentence proof you have no idea how 0.0 farm works, so you could justy avoid to speack when you don’t know game mechanism. Thank. Yeah, cuz crabing anoms changed soooooooo much in that time, sure. And the best part is denying me my opinion on the basis, that I was not crabbing the null recently enough. That’s brilliant. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Problem of CCP : They listen a lot of people who don’t farm, and do’nt know how to farm. It’s why blackout was a trash tier idea and it’s why this idea is a trash tier idea actually. Great idea on paper if you listen “community” bad idea if you think 5 second of implication. Blackout was undeniably fun for me. But it was equally undeniably broken. That’s why it wasn’t meant to last, which was understandable the day it was introduced. Still, it doesn’t mean local shouldn’t be tampered with, just not with such sudden and drastic measures. Blackout was probing the waters, not the feature to stay forever ---
**Author:** ![Niriam\_DoT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niriam_dot/32/283318_2.png) [@Niriam\_DoT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niriam_DoT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/107 "2020-07-03T12:48:00Z")
I am not fond of things like highsec incursions either. But the fact is - nullsec prints the most isk, you can check that in monthly reports. The only report where WHs take over is when blackout dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/108 "2020-07-03T12:54:11Z")
Beacause a lot of activity actually boost by CCP are loot based. Enought =\> actually you have no enought 10/10 in 0.0 to make each player (and not account) in 0.0 do 1 per month. so yes it s a minority who run its. Mineral? Agree with MER you quote, check mineral price, check ship price. Ho i see an elit perfectly safe WH krab. Wh are safer than 0.0 so you don’t know of what you are speacking. Yes anom haven’t change a lot (name/composition), but they’re repartition, and way to catch you inside, IA and other thing have change. Blackout people need to be fored from CCP. And they do’nt probe enought if they continue to hard nerf. After this probe they must have wait community take back all people who drop the game before make a new move. Without covid i m pretty sur eve will be in panic mode to save his life. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Country\_Boy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_country_boy/32/282041_2.png) [@Big\_Country\_Boy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Country_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/109 "2020-07-03T13:06:43Z")
I really hope someone will close this out before too long. Poster has no clue, and I’m out. Let him whine at himself. Don’t gratify morons with a response ---
**Author:** ![Niriam\_DoT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niriam_dot/32/283318_2.png) [@Niriam\_DoT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niriam_DoT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/110 "2020-07-03T13:11:11Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Enought =\> actually you have no enought 10/10 in 0.0 to make each player (and not account) in 0.0 do 1 per month. so yes it s a minority who run its. Except anom runners print thosein hundreds actually. I didn’t scan any of 10/10s I ran in my lifetime. All were bought from anom runners > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Mineral? Agree with MER you quote, check mineral price, check ship price. Won’t try to pretend, that nothing is going on with minerals. But you should pay a bit more attention to the information CCP is giving us. Today’s state of null mining is temporary, it is specifically designed to create mineral shortage, before they can create a new selfbalancing system of mineral distribution. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Ho i see an elit perfectly safe WH krab. Wh are safer than 0.0 so you don’t know of what you are speacking. First things first - you also should follow the words of a person you are speaking with a bit more close. I said I’m not printing isk, so WH crabbing is off the list (you still sell that loot to NPCs if you didn’t know). I also said, that I’m getting profit 24\7 with most of the time being logged off. I doubt you can do that with crabbing. And the second thing, I believe your information about the safety of WHs is incorrect. Yes, you can roll out all the holes in the system , but statics still spawn back. That’s on top of the fact that you can get rolled into at any moment and you can’t actually close frigsize wormholes anymore without having 30 to 50 people rolling it in destroyers. So yeah, getting 50 kikimoras through that hole on top of you is a new reality for wormholers. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Yes anom haven’t change a lot (name/composition), but they’re repartition, and way to catch you inside, IA and other thing have change. Not sure I 100% percent understand what you wanted to tell with this, but from this thread I saw you mostly complaining about being hotdropped by covert ships which also happened to me not once in the older days. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Blackout people need to be fored from CCP. And they do’nt probe enought if they continue to hard nerf. After this probe they must have wait community take back all people who drop the game before make a new move. Without covid i m pretty sure eve will be in panic mode to save his life. Well, it looks they have better data than you do if they do what they do. After all they have special people dedicated to retaining old players and getting new players at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/111 "2020-07-03T13:21:55Z")
> [@Niriam\_DoT](#): > > Well, it looks they have better data than you do if they do what they do. After all they have special people dedicated to retaining old players and getting new players at the same time. One word: Blackout ---
**Author:** ![Niriam\_DoT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/niriam_dot/32/283318_2.png) [@Niriam\_DoT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Niriam_DoT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/112 "2020-07-03T13:23:55Z")
I assure you, the reaction on that was 100% calculated prior to the launch. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/113 "2020-07-03T13:26:47Z")
I assure you they don’t realise how far the game population will drop. Inf act they have think people wills till connect a few and continue sub… not loose 2M dollar in the operation by massive payer droping, and a lot have no coming back after by loose the trust in CCP. CCP have make a lot of misscalculation. After all when some of you"re dev think super capital can take gate to go in HS … it’s normal. Or when they think fighter have auto agro … ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/114 "2020-07-03T13:29:58Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Farmers don’t always get what they want. If they want no-risk PvE then they can go back to highsec. PvE in high security space is far from no-risk. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Give the Dominix a few dozen friends in Dominixes on-grid and suddenly that bomber might think twice about the suicidal attack they’re about to launch. How about a super with a cyno on it? Seemed to work quite well in Delve for a long time. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The metric is “when nullsec residents start a meaningful war due to scarcity of resources”. Big blue blob still exists? Too much income from nullsec. Looking at the market, there is still much starvation to go. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > CCP has been way too generous in pandering to risk-averse PvE players. Take away anything farmable and force players to engage in conflict if they want to succeed. There was nothing generous about the blackout, nor was there much sustained conflict as a result of it. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > PVP player who use perma cloack are risk averse. Not much hope that problem will get iterated on as part of the ESS change either. > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > Please stop buffing hunters. they are allready lazzy (wait 4 cyno, drop, kill, hide, bridge back to npc staging, or new cyno, repeat…) and countles. It is a bit silly that one covert cyno can drop 200 people, in the same way that 1 command destroyer could move 200 ships in fleet > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > Only few are active hunting. the most have cloaky alt nerds 23/7 for lazzy cyno drop. All with automated d-scan scrapers to !ding! when a target shows up. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > It’s how you kill a game. Blackout proof to it people will just stop play. True, though I had a fun time playing space engineers for the first time in ages. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/115 "2020-07-03T14:03:59Z")
🔴 Of course it was calculated. The result of that calculation was the firing of CCP Falcon, the staunchest and most vocal supporter of this feature. While the feature was lackluster, that end result made it worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/116 "2020-07-03T14:31:52Z")
He himself said he’ll be leaving when they end the blackout. He wasn’t fired. When he announced the end, it was clear that he was sad. It was noted by many people on /r/eve as well. Where does this misrepresentation of what happened originate from? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/117 "2020-07-03T14:45:04Z")
I see the farmer trash is still here whining about how difficult it is to farm, and how they need even more buffs to farming so they can make OMG ELITE TICKS without any risk of disruption. And I see they’re still threatening to ragequit if CCP dares to make the game in any way challenging for them. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/118 "2020-07-03T14:50:10Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > PvE in high security space is far from no-risk. Lolwut? Zero risk of destruction from NPCs, negligible risk of destruction from other players unless you’re an idiot flying around in an overpriced loot can. The only meaningful risk of loss in highsec PvE is forgetting to turn on your tank because PvE is boring as hell and you’re watching a movie in another window. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > I assure you they don’t realise how far the game population will drop. Whatever. Farmer trash has been saying this for years, and yet EVE’s peak population occurred at a time when the PvP vs. PvE balance was far more in favor of PvP. CCP keeps pandering to farmers and their player numbers keep dropping. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/119 "2020-07-03T14:54:25Z")
cloackybear are more risk reward than farmer trahs. so you means you are under trash level. Great. for information : problem is not to make the game more difficult, but making less broken. Make ESS permanent will increase the power of cloacky thing again after a sery of indirect buff… One more will just kill the game. So now explain to us how it’s fait to be perma cloack with ESS. I want to know. Or maybe you want we remove some recent buff of cloacky and so i agree ESS will be a great thing. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/120 "2020-07-03T14:57:45Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > cloackybear are more risk reward than farmer trahs. Lolwut? You are aware that to do anything but sit idle in space accomplishing nothing a cloaked ship has to decloak and take risks, right? That it’s possible to shoot back if a cloaked ship attacks you? > problem is not to make the game more difficult Uh, sure, which is why all of your whining is about how the game is too difficult and needs to be easier for farmers. > So now explain to us how it’s fait to be perma cloack with ESS. What does cloaking have to do with the ESS? You can’t interact with it while cloaked. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/121 "2020-07-03T15:03:14Z")
Same as an other fraid i will answer in french beacause i don’t know the expression in english for that. Feel free to ask a translator. C’est de la mauvaise fois pure et dure. La perma invisiblité designe un cycle, meme si il ne peut pas interagir invisible il le pourra en devant visible et en ayant une totale connaissance de son environnement et la possibilité de teleporté des allié au besoin. A contrario les defenseurs ne pourrons pas profiter de cet avantage sauf a sacrifier nombre de perso en attente permanente. Donc c’est le cycle entier qui est a revoir, hors la partie du cycle donnant l avantage est le moment ou il entre en invisiblité potentiellement pour une eternité, limité cette dernièere par une méchanique donnerais un contre. Feell free to translate. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=7)