# Encounter Surveillance System projected to be a "Permanent thing" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650 "2020-07-02T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/122 "2020-07-03T15:06:37Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Feell free to translate. Feel free to follow the forum rules and only post in English. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/123 "2020-07-03T15:08:29Z")
🔴 So ending the BO forced his hand even though BO was such a success story and worked so well. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/124 "2020-07-03T15:10:31Z")
Fell free to don’t insult people, it’s on forum rules. Write in english section 6 is a courtesy thing. But in case of i can’t translate it myself i could just post on my own language a lot of people have doing that in forum. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/125 "2020-07-03T15:14:00Z")
There is a difference between being fired … … and keeping your word and leaving. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/127 "2020-07-03T15:22:13Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Write in english section 6 is a courtesy thing. No, it is a strict rule. Your posts in any non-English language will be deleted as soon as a CCP representative responds to the reports. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/128 "2020-07-03T15:35:32Z")
I love this idea that removing cloaks will somehow change the blops game. If I were an AFK cloaker and cloaks were removed I’d just log out in a safe spot instead. I’m still in your system, and I’m still gonna drop a fleet on you. AFK croakers don’t enable this tactic. AFK cloaking **only puts the fear up the krabs** so they dock up. It doesn’t affect the ability to pop them. You’re in more danger when you can’t see the potential cyno waiting in local. You’re safer when they’re afk cloaked. Of course that’s what this is really about. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/129 "2020-07-03T15:41:36Z")
the most disgusting thing is that in the old times one guy in a prospect could make 40 null bears in super carriers dock , no effort to fight , they just run for their lives and dock , and them you started to listen sad voices in coms , yeah today the system is bad , there is some guys there , pathetic , ate least now it takes a pilgrim to do that improvement 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/130 "2020-07-03T15:43:58Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > If I were an AFK cloaker and cloaks were removed I’d just log out in a safe spot instead. I’m still in your system, and I’m still gonna drop a fleet on you. But then as soon as you log back in you appear in local and the farmers dock up. That’s the goal of cloaking nerfs, ensuring that they get a warning from local with plenty of time to dock up before you can complete the login process and launch an attack. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/131 "2020-07-03T15:51:31Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > nullsec bears and bots on life support and panicking in fear of having to pay attention to the ESS in every system now instead of just afk krabbing for hours upon hours I just put away the mining equipment I had out over the arenas… I was out. They pulled me back in… Speaking of AFK cloakers, anybody remember the character named “AFK Cloaker” who always posted “…”? Good old days. As for “deployable blackout”, why do I get the feeling that this would be a perfect command ship module? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/132 "2020-07-03T16:01:50Z")
I wonder how they feel about deep safe Curses ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/133 "2020-07-03T16:08:43Z")
Don’t get me started on the issue of deep safes and those days of deep space probes. Were it up to me deep safes would be back. Space felt like space back in those days. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/134 "2020-07-03T16:12:24Z")
IMO the problem with deep safes is that there isn’t a consistent way to make them. It’s less “working as designed” and more “there are occasional weird situations that make this possible and you benefit if you’re lucky enough to be around to exploit one”. (Of course this gets into the general issue with the bookmark system and the ridiculous inability to warp directly to an arbitrary point in a system.) ---
**Author:** ![Crash\_888](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crash_888/32/357008_2.png) [@Crash\_888](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crash_888)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/135 "2020-07-03T16:44:57Z")
Oh nice, it’s episode 86763458 of “this will kill the null blocs”. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/136 "2020-07-03T16:46:33Z")
Hey guys, the topic is about the ESS potentially becoming a permanent thing. Don’t let @Dictateur_Imperator’s trolling sidetrack the conversation into another cloaky camping whine thread, please and thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/137 "2020-07-03T16:52:43Z")
Yeah that’s the other issue. Never being able to just enter a point in space. That’s been bothering me since 2006. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/138 "2020-07-03T17:29:50Z")
Those statistics are tricky things. There are much less players in wh but they print way more isk if we look at it from “isk per krab” value. I dont have exact numbers but this high isk printing in null can be a result of: generally higher isk output per anomaly/DED-ratet on unrated combat ite etc + hordes of players in null. What upsets me here is that there is a wide field for adjustment for isk vs danger/effort. For ex. i dont know where c1 and c2 wormholes should land in this graph but my view of all this is that there should be general guidelines for isk vs danger/effort value between different areas of EVE + space for a sandbox. Right now i see CCP trying to turn EVE into sandbox for CCP themselves while tons of players are just bewildered by their desicions. Should someone krab himself into oblivion and be always safe in a space that is supposed to be dangerous? No. Should someone just sit there and farm isk in a most braindead way without effort or retaliation? No. It is indeed hard to find a perfect ballance but tbh i dont see how CCP will make this specific “permanent ESS” thing into an actually interesting factor of gameplay. For now i unfortunately expect nothing more than a pain in the ass for one part and a gift to another. And this will probably not affect game in a good way. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/139 "2020-07-03T17:35:29Z")
I have explain one way of explain how abuse, but not only. Read the original post. I was taking exemple of blackout and perma cloaking to explain how perma ESS will impact game. And so some “cloacky warior” have come . So if you want a summary : In the actual environnement ESS will add a new layer of complexity to farming who have be nerf a lot recently. So it will just make more people leave game in midterm. And remimber withotu covbid and lockdown game population will have be under the blackout level. So it’s not time to make a new disaster to make short term vision. ---
**Author:** ![Daro\_Mozu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daro_mozu/32/184030_2.png) [@Daro\_Mozu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daro_Mozu)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/140 "2020-07-03T17:36:07Z")
No, they just appear 2-8 km from you and teleport a fleet right in your face. Otherwise yeah, no danger at all. I kinda remember being camped for entire year. Ratters were explosing right left and center, and this was achieved by a cloaky camper. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/141 "2020-07-03T17:36:57Z")
Second episod of CCP " we will make a test and discover after we loose a shitons of player and money and we don’t know why". Episode 1 blackout could be find on devblog past year. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650/142 "2020-07-03T17:40:23Z")
It’s funny to see people still pretending the game is losing any significant amount of significant players. I believe this isn’t actually maliciousness. They just really are that dumb. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-projected-to-be-a-permanent-thing/252650.md?page=8)