# Encounter Surveillance System Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, devblog, official\ **Created:** [October 30, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014 "2020-10-30T17:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1412 "2020-12-22T05:15:07Z")
> [@Hamoud\_Hibra](#): > > People need to stop thinking you can 1 man roam and be successful in Null Sec. then complain when the Null sec people step up and defend with greater numbers. This is an MMO, get friends if you want to come to Null, don’t complain about “Blobbing”, You obviously did not read the rest as that was why Kiting Meta has evolved because it deals with the blob a lot more effectively. Not saying don’t blob I’m saying stop complaining about kiting meta if you guys blob. And 1 v 15 is definitely possible, that’s the beauty of eve there is so much complexity that those boundaries can be pushed to the extreme. And hell 1 v 15 can be brawled too if you’re a god [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPCuA5kMxuU&ab\_channel=Etherlad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPCuA5kMxuU&ab_channel=Etherlad) ---
**Author:** ![Nomi\_Axero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomi_axero/32/298947_2.png) [@Nomi\_Axero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomi_Axero)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1413 "2020-12-22T16:23:49Z")
Often it is this way, unfortunately. Small scale fleets are blobbed too. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1414 "2020-12-22T22:05:30Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Would love to brawl but if you fight a null sec group with a brawler you will be fighting a 1v 15 battle scrammed, webbed and neuted to death, brawling is dead because of the blobbing stop the blobbing and we will stop kiting. Eve is a team game. Show some respect and bring 15 people, or get blobbed for being a petty thief. > [@Monthly Economic Report - November 2020](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/monthly-economic-report-november-2020/285722/76): > > I have no doubt they will have been a contributing factor. People using supers to PvE after the welfare of Passive Moon Ore was removed to pay for their ships and SRP? When all those Null players stopped getting the monthly handout, they where forced to find income elsewhere and used those big toys to PvE and discovered they could make 100 million ISK an hour or more. Rorqual mining made ship loss meaningless when a titan could be so easily rebuilt. No? The MER clearly shows the wealth of players growing far more than that of corporations, who’s wealth has remained largely static. That’s probably the part most disgusting about DBS and MESS, is that the people who actually own the space still get NOTHING despite there now being a automated tax collector available. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1415 "2020-12-22T22:14:44Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Eve is a team game. Show some respect and bring 15 people, or get blobbed for being a petty thief. Obviously you have not tried bringing 15 people… Had a team of 8 once and local was at 92 still no fight: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/3/d39d5997d9564c0ee323b72c974767ca7f96809b.jpeg "Brave fight for ESS with everything they have! Well, actually not") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59dJwdFtpI) was against Not so Brave They will however come if you are solo: > **[Harbinger | Makshima Shogo | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/88867617/)** > > Makshima Shogo (Bank Robbers) lost their Harbinger in DUU1-K (Feythabolis). Final Blow by ZZZZZZ2 (Manufacturing Shack Industrial) flying in a Gila. Total Value: 152,192,287.78 ISK If they are scared of 8 imagine how little fights you would get with 15. When did null become so cowardly. ---
**Author:** ![Litsea\_Reticulata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/litsea_reticulata/32/328016_2.png) [@Litsea\_Reticulata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Litsea_Reticulata)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1416 "2020-12-22T22:42:55Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Had a team of 8 once and local was at 92 still no fight Local is not indicative of bums on seats. When I was in Null I was told to leave Eve running so people would always see me in local, regardless if I was actually there or not. > [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > When did null become so cowardly. Says the person dying with a stack of filaments in their hold? ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1417 "2020-12-22T22:43:37Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Local is not indicative of bums on seats. I just linked the video of it where there was 30 of them on grid and they warp off and dock up because 8 of us are too scary jeeze… you just love talking ■■■■. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Says the person dying with a stack of filaments in their hold? Filament’s are a way to save 50 jumps back home that is 2 hours worth of roam less, I don’t like filament’s but I will use them if they are in the game. 1 border poch then 1 extraction = 3 jumps from jita yes filaments are brokenly op, but everyone already knows this. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1418 "2020-12-23T00:42:00Z")
What has that got to do with taking ore out of hisec moons, removing minerals from hi-sec ore, introducing trigs to hi-sec space (not null), and trying to reduce structure spam in hi-sec? ---
**Author:** ![Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fenrir_stargazer/32/424917_2.png) [@Fenrir\_Stargazer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fenrir_Stargazer)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1419 "2020-12-23T03:46:08Z")
sicne it seems they want to move people out of HS they should be making null and low more atractive. instead they seem to be ruining it all. ---
**Author:** ![Hlamon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hlamon/32/241936_2.png) [@Hlamon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hlamon)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1420 "2020-12-23T09:28:30Z")
Yeah, that’s funny, one can make over 200 mil ISK from level 4 missions in almost perfect safety in highsec, running single account. How 0.0 in current state can compete with this is absolute mystery. I guess we will he hard nerf of mission rewards very soon. Same goes for highsec incursions. ---
**Author:** ![SleepLacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sleeplacker/32/232081_2.png) [@SleepLacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SleepLacker)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1421 "2020-12-23T18:10:39Z")
> [@Hlamon](#): > > I guess we will he hard nerf of mission rewards very soon. Same goes for highsec incursions. Being a mission runner myself, I wouldn’t be surprised if burner mission payouts were nerfed, or they reworked the method in which they are handed out, which is completely random afaik. Storyline missions require completing 16 missions before receiving one, so a similar method, or even replacing the story missions altogether for burners, could be the way to go. They introduced the ESS system in low sec, so it’s likely to come to High Sec too, which will decrease bounties from mission rats and make LP the only real way to earn some income from farming missions, besides any valuable loot that might drop, so any adjustments will probably only come after that. Incursions do appear in the MER graph right next to bounty payouts, but I’m not sure how to rework them, and if that content even needs an adjustment in the frist place, considering it’s the only real group PvE content we have so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1422 "2020-12-23T18:17:32Z")
> [@Hlamon](#): > > How 0.0 in current state can compete with this is absolute mystery. It used to be near effortlessly scalable with zero effort. A new alt with Buddy Invite SP bonuses could be injected into a VNI on day 1 and out in anomalies spinning, earning you 15m isk / tick with no effort other than “warp, launch drones, afterburner, orbit” every 20 minutes. I’ve known people who had a fleet of 8-10 alts and would rack in billions with almost zero effort. The first week of the month would be dedicated to farming the isk necessary to continue Omega subscriptions, and the remaining 3 weeks of the month were just pure profits for them. To a certain extent, it’s still doable even now, but people will hit the DBS threshold fairly quickly because of how easy it is. And it’s still basically zero effort. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1423 "2020-12-23T19:24:21Z")
I don’t think they want you to move out of hisec. Just nerfing rewards where there are little risk/effort. ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1424 "2020-12-24T07:42:28Z")
> [@Olmeca\_Gold](#): > > I am confident in the ESS/Ecosystem changes but I won’t debate on forums because an educated debate here is a long shot. Perhaps I will write an article on it somewhere. > [@Arrendis](#): > > The 'Goon linemember’_1_ you replied to is the Fittings and Doctrines Director, and a **Senior Editor at INN**. Emphasis added by me. Oh OH!!! Olmeca could post his article on INN, cause it seems like you two already know each other! Wouldn’t that be great!! 😃 No need to thank me, just happy to help. > [@Kenrailae](#): > > Confirming I am, in fact, entertained. Just sitting here admiring my pinecone collection. o/ Ken! I was kinda bored then found this thread, and it **is** entertaining!.. and i’m only up to nov 7 comments!! let the fun train roll on!! Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![FrozenFusion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frozenfusion/32/255413_2.png) [@FrozenFusion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FrozenFusion)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1425 "2020-12-26T19:40:22Z")
довольно долго не заходил в игру и на форум, вижу , что ничего не изменилось. Игроки ругают обнову, СиСиРиси делают вид, что все зашибись.Н у , что не будем заходить еще месяц, посмотрим, что изменится. ---
**Author:** ![SHAM\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sham_helugo/32/453923_2.png) [@SHAM\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SHAM_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1426 "2020-12-30T09:46:32Z")
Cool down day once per week for ess ? ---
**Author:** ![Elzy\_Lay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elzy_lay/32/248696_2.png) [@Elzy\_Lay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elzy_Lay)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1427 "2020-12-30T14:35:25Z")
CCP… you’ve ruined a lot of things this year; listen not to the Prima donnas. Robbing the ESS has provided us pirates a different type of content we’ve been longing for. Don’t nerf the AB in anyway. Leave the phantasm & nightmare just the way they are. Exclusive ships for exclusive things. To those who are complaining… go play your role for your Corp and mine in an asteroid belt. Leave the ESS to the big boys ---
**Author:** ![Elzy\_Lay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elzy_lay/32/248696_2.png) [@Elzy\_Lay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elzy_Lay)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1429 "2020-12-30T19:26:27Z")
Didn’t read that but at this point I’m not surprised. CCP never fails to disappoint and continue to ruin ■■■■. Those who cry for balance, it’s simple. Have a response fleet ready for when we activate that link. Whatever though CCP. just release those keys so the thoroughbreds can battle it out ---
**Author:** ![Cho\_Pegu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cho_pegu/32/441604_2.png) [@Cho\_Pegu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cho_Pegu)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1430 "2021-01-05T18:45:03Z")
I would like to know what CCP actually DO when a suspected bot is reported; do they send a mail to the “player” and wait to see what happens?? I reported a suspicious Battleship I kept finding parked in DED1/10 and DED2/10 sites that would warp of the moment I opened fire on an NPC. Minutes after it’s latest warp off and my deciding to report it, it came warping back into the system and proceeded to try and intimidate me, by close flying at high speeds, and blasting every NPC in the site; obviously a human at the controls this time - and pissed at me. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1431 "2021-01-05T18:47:03Z")
> [@Cho\_Pegu](#): > > I would like to know what CCP actually DO when a suspected bot is reported; Chances are pretty high CCP will never actually tell you, because any piece of evidence they give is another tool botters can use to avoid detection. > [@Cho\_Pegu](#): > > do they send a mail to the “player” and wait to see what happens?? I’m… not sure why this would be the case. > [@Cho\_Pegu](#): > > Minutes after it’s latest warp off and my deciding to report it, it came warping back into the system and proceeded to try and intimidate me, by close flying at high speeds, and blasting every NPC in the site; obviously a human at the controls this time - and pissed at me. Yeah, this doesn’t sound like bot behavior at all. If you want to hear what their systems are like, CCP did a brief presentation on their anti-cheat tool “Sentinel” a while back [https://youtu.be/GLRuKopYNXw?t=206](https://youtu.be/GLRuKopYNXw?t=206) ---
**Author:** ![Cho\_Pegu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cho_pegu/32/441604_2.png) [@Cho\_Pegu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cho_Pegu)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014/1432 "2021-01-05T18:55:03Z")
Neither is a Battleship ignoring any other ship entering the site until it opens fire, then warping immediately, especially MY ship, which was a lowly tech 1 Algos fitted with junk I looted from wrecks. As I said, an obviously pissed human at the helm when it returned. If I enter a system and find a large, stationary ship ratting, I target and fire at one rat; 9 times out of 10 the ship warps out; what is really interesting is, if it was a human operating the ship, why would it not stay and compete for the wrecks, after all, they can one shot anything at that level; and why, if they didnt want to compete, not move on the the next site in the system? More than once this has happened and there was one final combat site in the system, yet when I entered it there was no sign of the battleship (or VNI - another popular choice it seems). I should add, this is in HiSec, not some Lo/Nul sec where any new ships has to be considered hostile. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014.md?page=63) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/encounter-surveillance-system-update/277014.md?page=65)