# Enough is enough: a newplayer feedback about income drop from CCP latest patchs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 23, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329 "2020-11-23T10:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JakobFugger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jakobfugger/32/242341_2.png) [@JakobFugger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JakobFugger)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/85 "2020-11-25T16:08:27Z")
Dear Solstice, I actually wrote an official email to CCP customer service, which referred me to this website. Therefore, they are actively linking me to you calling me “assholes” and “liars”. Reported. You just convinced me to stay away from the game. Congrats. Actually I’m fairly sad about it. Up to them to confirm. Have a good life ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/86 "2020-11-25T16:15:16Z")
No one believes you, your alts or your lies … … and that’s all that matters to me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/87 "2020-11-25T16:16:54Z")
Or it’s a true newbro and you said it with 0 proof to confort yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/90 "2020-11-25T16:22:47Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > avg income seem’s to be about 100m/h This was and is the benchmark for years with solo play. More is luck, extra skills and niche. And I can only re-emphasize your Povchen part. This is a great area to make some quick bucks with zero skills. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/91 "2020-11-25T16:23:26Z")
Not my alt. So you just proof you do’nt have any idea of what you speack. You are just a toxicBear. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/92 "2020-11-25T16:26:09Z")
Luckily most of these people are ganking freightors in high sec, its easy to avoid his bunch if you want to try out eve. ---
**Author:** ![Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alasdan_helminthauge/32/242602_2.png) [@Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alasdan_Helminthauge)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/93 "2020-11-25T16:27:47Z")
Just checked, with the current Jita price of Veldspar at 190isk/m3, a procurer with nothing but 2 Strip Miner I, with the minimum skills just able to sit in it and activate the miners, without fleet boost can mine 7.25mil isk/hr. So how the hell can’t you make 10mil isk/hr afk mining? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/94 "2020-11-25T16:28:32Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There are conditions to be reimbursed. You generally dont want to reimburse just everything. Yes there is. But these conditions are not prohibitive otherwise no one would claim anything would they? > [@JakobFugger](#): > > I’ve just lost 3x in a row ships (and implants) worth 150m each time, on events that would have paid out perhaps 3m each (i.e. 1:50 risk/reward against NPC). If I would have played a single number roulette in Vegas I would have been better off (1:37). If you’re a new player, stop flying stuff worth 150mil. One of the golden rules of eve: Don’t fly what you cannot afford to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Flanidia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flanidia/32/264223_2.png) [@Flanidia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flanidia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/95 "2020-11-25T16:30:09Z")
Mining income (ore prices) are flat. Mineral prices are up driven by lower yield on ore. Which means prices for most everything are up. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/96 "2020-11-25T16:36:55Z")
don’t you guys try to reason with those toxic people. They keep saying minerals now will skyrocket price and it will make you earn more… But the stupid guys don’t realise that EVERYTHING ELSE WILL SKYROCKET TOO specially ships. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/97 "2020-11-25T16:40:48Z")
I dont think they are aware how little basic minerals are in T2 ships by volume. ---
**Author:** ![Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alasdan_helminthauge/32/242602_2.png) [@Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alasdan_Helminthauge)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/98 "2020-11-25T16:45:06Z")
Go fly factional ships, advanced ships or SoCT ships for pvp. They’re all good tools for this anyway. And for T1 PVE ships, doubling price only means a bit more initial investment since you rarely lose them. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/99 "2020-11-25T16:48:47Z")
What the hell you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/100 "2020-11-25T17:11:31Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > But the stupid guys don’t realise that EVERYTHING ELSE WILL SKYROCKET TOO specially ships. You understand that this is the purpose of resource scarcity… > As announced recently, New Eden is entering a period where resource distribution is being re-balanced. It has been decided, in cooperation with the CSM, to give an update on how and why this decision was made. As detailed above, it was concluded that the economy of EVE is in an unsustainable state. A healthy economic environment where players can find opportunities by making interesting choices is the goal. **One of the key pillars of EVE is that loss has meaning** and a state is being reached where loss is not meaningful anymore for veteran players. > **[The EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-eve-online-ecosystem-outlook)** > > The state of EVE’s ecosystem and plans for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/101 "2020-11-25T17:42:19Z")
The way blueprints are written, they require still the same amount of resources as before mineral changes, and the mining lasers or ships work the same as before, so people only want more ISK for time they have to spent gathering resources, because that became less effective, amount/h. But further changes that could make ISK more hard to get, could make everything cost less, because of deflation. The supply of ISK being less than before. The ISK/h being less efficient seems to be limiting factor for raise in market prices. Without the changes to ISK/h rate, there will be inflation even, people will pump more ISK into economy than before changes to minerals. They will be grinding more efficiently and getting ISK for people who demand raise for more effort. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/102 "2020-11-25T17:49:17Z")
maybe it’s ‘endgame’ when you ‘win the internet’? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/103 "2020-11-25T17:53:14Z")
Endgame is posting here, complaining about CCP, and not playing. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/104 "2020-11-25T17:54:58Z")
> [@JakobFugger](#): > > since older players PLEX their accounts You mean the PLEX that somebody has to buy from CCP at a sizable markup before it can be used to cover a sub? People who PLEX their accounts “pay” somewhere around 70% more than those who subscribe; unredeemed PLEX are an accounting liability and thus bad for CCP’s bottom line. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/105 "2020-11-25T17:55:32Z")
you remind me of a particular care bear… now where’s that thundercloud symbol… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/106 "2020-11-25T18:05:16Z")
You don’t even know what the word carebear means. 😃 You guys always pick up on terms you believe have meaning … … but then have no idea how to actually apply them correctly. 🙂 \*_pats your head\*_ One day, kiddo. 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329.md?page=6)