# Enough is enough: a newplayer feedback about income drop from CCP latest patchs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 23, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329 "2020-11-23T10:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/148 "2020-11-26T15:17:42Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > What a super specific demographic confined to one area. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > in their late 60’s or early 70’s I … don’t know how to agree to this. Like, for example, Austria doesn’t have a boomer generation compared to those in the US. We have old, self entitled assholes like everywhere else, but the numbers are vastly different due to the fact that _we had war, pretty much everyone lost everything and things had to be rebuilt_. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/2/62ab28e72f86127e96ce554281dd1314ea6ecb35.png) Please tell me more about these european boomers! I really want to know! ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/149 "2020-11-26T15:35:10Z")
I see making wrong assumptions is a specialty of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Pete](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/simple_pete/32/285038_2.png) [@Simple\_Pete](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Simple_Pete)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/150 "2020-11-26T17:35:04Z")
Interesting read on Austria, but the numbers of births post WWII through 1964 do show a higher growth rate in the population since the 1900-1925 surge period. Other than 1945, deaths were not out of line with the national trends during the war. I understand that many of those deaths may not have been counted until the end of the war. It does look like you have a boomer generation (at least a quarter of the population). What is interesting, is that the children of post WWII parents are having a lot fewer kids. Thanks for sparking an interest in learning something I was ignorant about. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/151 "2020-11-26T17:56:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Here’s a thought. > > Buy 110 PLEX for $5. > > 110 PLEX = 300 million isk. > > Buy 100 frigates or destroyers. > > Fly them all until they are dead. > > If you didn’t enjoy yourself, then EVE is not for you. omg this girl is a genius ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/152 "2020-11-26T18:07:20Z")
Not really. If you want little pew pew just for little pew pew you have game a lot more engaging than eve. It will not attract a lot of newbro. A lot of people are in eve beacause they want to be part of something big. Remove thatand you remove a lot of new player who want to join the game. Problem is in general they are the kind of player you will have on base on foodchain beacause they will try to build something. Less prey means less predatror at mid term, less predator means less predator of predator etc… ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/153 "2020-11-26T18:08:29Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > If you want little pew pew just for little pew pew you have game a lot more engaging than eve. no you don’t go away ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/154 "2020-11-26T18:09:23Z")
If you don’t pew pew, how are you going to be part of something big? ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/155 "2020-11-26T18:10:31Z")
That a huge argumentation. @xeus for some player they want organise thing, prepare big thinf to trap etc… not onlyt ake a frig and go pew pew. That my point. ---
**Author:** ![ZaxZax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaxzax/32/275129_2.png) [@ZaxZax](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ZaxZax)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/156 "2020-11-26T18:11:57Z")
No offense but the only thing CCP cares about is profit. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/157 "2020-11-26T18:25:32Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > A lot of people are in eve beacause they want to be part of something big. Well, I guess we should stop giving out free ventures in the tutorial, and instead everyone should get a FREE rorqual! Wheeeee! :partyparrot:🥳:congapartyparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/158 "2020-11-26T20:49:05Z")
No , i means big in organisation and progression. Roam in frifate every time don’t fit to all people. Some want a hope to go in other kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/159 "2020-11-26T21:43:22Z")
You can join the biggest alliances in the game, anytime you want. Nothing is stopping you but yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/160 "2020-11-26T21:49:24Z")
And they fly only frig? No. Ho you miss. ---
**Author:** ![xOmGx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xomgx/32/242854_2.png) [@xOmGx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xOmGx)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/161 "2020-11-26T22:20:37Z")
Very easy, CCP helping yo to solve all your problems easy: [Get ISK RICH](https://secure.eveonline.com/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=bfriday20&origin=launcher) [It is time to get rich](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qkeeca/black-friday-15-off-plex?origin=launcher&utm_medium=app&utm_source=launcher&utm_content=en) On Login Screen - GET ISK RICH IN EVE (Jut buy plex plz) Patchnotes: it’s the perfect time to sell some of the PLEX We Nerf ratting and all the sources of income so you can buy Plex and get rich ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/162 "2020-11-26T22:36:06Z")
> [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > be part of something big ![Captura de Tela 2020-11-26 às 15.58.40](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/3/e32d0ad75e84ffbd754db39a7c0242cbb81ec13a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/163 "2020-11-26T23:07:18Z")
I was not thinking only to 0.0 alliance. But for exemple little corp of 20 to 50 man, and maybe if they want have some people in more than frigate the asumption of “it’ s only5 $” is totally bad. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/164 "2020-11-26T23:36:49Z")
dude i was busting your balls and you are a great sport 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/165 "2020-11-28T09:38:00Z")
Wait they don’t even remap f1 to something closer? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/166 "2020-11-28T20:47:21Z")
I have remapped F1 to my 1 key, a bit easier to reach indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329/167 "2020-11-28T23:41:58Z")
> [@Malaghen](#): > > I just don’t get it. I don’t think CCP has a clue about what they are doing when making with these adjustments. They are thinking in a pure economical way, not taking into account PEOPLE’s mindset. > > It just made rich players much richer, and poor players less motivated. Regardless of how they attempt to frame the situation with words and dev blogs, from anything I can see CCP still has the same goal they’ve had for the past decade: to position EVE’s environment such that anyone who’s ‘serious’ about the game will end up moving to Null and running multiple Omega alts so they can participate in the occasional Null-war that makes news and records. If you’re not ‘serious’ about the game (meaning plan to sub multiple accounts and engage in nullwars), then CCP’s attitude appears to be “let them eat space”. If you want to be able to run your accounts such that you can hit your goal of taking on those big null sec battles, then move to null sec, join an alliance, get on an SRP, and do what they tell you to do while you use a couple alts to farm ISK in Null. That is the approved playstyle. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/enough-is-enough-a-newplayer-feedback-about-income-drop-from-ccp-latest-patchs/281329.md?page=9)