# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/409 "2018-01-13T06:45:23Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > This will achieve nothing but get them closed by moderation. Let’s keep it focused on the existing threads. This is only correct when there aren’t enough seperate people (not characters) doing it. At some point it becomes counterproductive to censor public outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/410 "2018-01-13T07:41:47Z")
Sticky-thread incoming? ---
**Author:** ![Shailagh\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shailagh_rose/32/14667_2.png) [@Shailagh\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shailagh_Rose)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/411 "2018-01-13T15:04:14Z")
[http://massivelyop.com/2018/01/12/eve-online-players-beg-ccp-to-address-botters-after-gamer-takes-down-eight-botter-ships/](http://massivelyop.com/2018/01/12/eve-online-players-beg-ccp-to-address-botters-after-gamer-takes-down-eight-botter-ships/) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Sane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_sane/32/48656_2.png) [@The\_Sane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Sane)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/412 "2018-01-13T17:20:46Z")
Continuing the discussion from [The silence is deafening](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-silence-is-deafening/50813/22): > [@The silence is deafening](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-silence-is-deafening/50813/22): > > This is something we’ll be discussing at the CSM Summit next week. I get that the CSM is meant as a link between the players and the devs… but limiting any meaningful discussion to a handful of people a couple of times a year seems a bit off. I don’t hold the CSM in such high regard that this placates me. Get the security team to write that blog post they promised, and don’t just tell us you care, show us that you are actively doing something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/413 "2018-01-13T18:12:10Z")
I agree, since when has botting and dealing with it needed to be discussed with the CSM? Someone cynical could almost be lead to think that the major alliances are about to be given a heads up via the CSM before a purge for some reason, normal players wouldn’t think that, obviously 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/414 "2018-01-13T18:23:28Z")
They just say they will discuss it. Doesn’t mean anything will actually happen, it could just be, back to business as normal (\*hides head in sand). ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/415 "2018-01-13T18:25:02Z")
I can’t get it our of my head … the big nullsec alliances live from people’s taxes coming from bots (how much?), also something needs to pay all those fulltime job players in the leadership teams…no I don’t mean ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Etherium\_Bladerunner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etherium_bladerunner/32/91401_2.png) [@Etherium\_Bladerunner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etherium_Bladerunner)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/416 "2018-01-13T19:27:41Z")
For me the ultimate reason why you shouldn’t use bots is not on the economic part or Inflation (even tho it can be a problem that made people quit), but rather on the social impact it can have on each other considering the need of communication for gathering ressources can be eliminated with bots. The best example was described in the book Fondations of Isaac Asimov, where he described a planet where each individual completly stoped talking to each other because thay acheived complete autonomy in term of production and reproduction. If you reduce or eliminate the need of talking between people for ressource gathering because you use bots, you are affecting the game in a very negative way since communication and cooperation is the core of this game. I did a thread on Reddit explaining the good and bad side of botting in my point of view. > **[r/Eve - Why bots shouldn't be allowed?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/7fpaxh/why_bots_shouldnt_be_allowed/)** > > 0 votes and 73 comments so far on Reddit In short to make people dependant to each other is to force bounding together. Bounding together is why people are connecting back to the game. Not to acquire pixels but to interact with each other in an adventure. And I’m sure everybody know a sandbox can become boring very quickly when you are alone, but when you are in groups it extend by alot the gameplay time line. ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Seung-Li](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_seung-li/32/171096_2.png) [@Mei\_Seung-Li](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Seung-Li)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/417 "2018-01-13T20:37:45Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > The answer to your original main question is “yes”. The reason,of course, it adds to their (CCP) bottom line. The next important question to ask is whether they are going to crack down on the bots or is Tranquility going to go off the same cliff the China server did earlier? > > So far CCP has failed to have any significant enforcement program in the last 3+ years in regards to bots; I doubt we’ll see any response/action soon from the security group ( who must be down to only a couple of people by now based on CCP’s track record). Combined with RMT transactions, EVE is currently on a steadily increasing slippery slope into oblivion. I agree, it appears botting is good for CCP, because inflation drives up the price of plex, making it not only harder to plex with ISK, but makes the plex to ISK conversion more valuable for someone willing to buy it with real money. Big Alliances win, because they are getting a massive amount of ISK sent their way in rent from the botters. Some of them may even dabble in RMT themselves. And the botters win, since they can sell the ISK for real money. Don’t you see? It’s win-win for everyone! Well… everyone that really matters. /s ---
**Author:** ![Paxiom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paxiom/32/31025_2.png) [@Paxiom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paxiom)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/418 "2018-01-13T21:58:57Z")
“Big Alliances win, because they are getting a massive amount of ISK sent their way in rent from the botters. Some of them may even dabble in RMT themselves. And the botters win, since they can sell the ISK for real money.” big/Rental allainces don’t win , its completely binary. Its you can afford the rent of the system or you can’t . anything past the rental price doesn’t go to the big/rental alliance . Big corporations would be the only winner sine they get a % of the isk generated ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Seung-Li](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_seung-li/32/171096_2.png) [@Mei\_Seung-Li](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Seung-Li)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/419 "2018-01-13T22:02:07Z")
If the botting corps were gone, who would take their place and pay rent? ---
**Author:** ![Paxiom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paxiom/32/31025_2.png) [@Paxiom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paxiom)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/420 "2018-01-13T22:07:13Z")
regular corps that want to do those types of activities in rental space ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_SmashAlot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sir_smashalot/32/381178_2.png) [@Sir\_SmashAlot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sir_SmashAlot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/421 "2018-01-14T01:33:32Z")
Amazing detective work here. > **[r/Eve - The Omist bots were ShtirliZZ from PIRAT (evidence included)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/7q0lif/the_omist_bots_were_shtirlizz_from_pirat_evidence/?sort=new)** > > 302 votes and 190 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/422 "2018-01-14T03:42:48Z")
> [@The silence is deafening](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-silence-is-deafening/50813/22): > > Don’t create more redundant threads. > > This is something we’ll be discussing at the CSM Summit next week. Thank You CCP\_Falcon I look forward to the results of said Summit concerning to the bots. When can we expect a concise answer from the discussion? About that space trash. Can we have their stuff? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Seung-Li](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_seung-li/32/171096_2.png) [@Mei\_Seung-Li](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Seung-Li)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/423 "2018-01-14T04:40:02Z")
> [@Paxiom](#): > > regular corps that want to do those types of activities in rental space Then why aren’t they there in the first place? Since apparently after reading through things, many of these botting corps seem to have been somewhat of an open secret for years. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/424 "2018-01-14T04:49:03Z")
Now everybody be like ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d8e2db0242931af40baf143cadffed301a2af73a.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_SmashAlot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sir_smashalot/32/381178_2.png) [@Sir\_SmashAlot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sir_SmashAlot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/425 "2018-01-14T13:26:50Z")
> **[Bootleggers and Baptists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists)** > > Bootleggers and Baptists is a concept put forth by regulatory economist Bruce Yandle, derived from the observation that regulations are supported both by groups that want the ostensible purpose of the regulation, and by groups that profit from undermining that purpose. > For much of the 20th century, Baptists and other evangelical Christians were prominent in political activism for Sunday closing laws restricting the sale of alcohol. Bootleggers sold alcohol illegally, and got more business if leg... This will likely explain why land lords do not care if renters are botting shitlords ---
**Author:** ![Paxiom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paxiom/32/31025_2.png) [@Paxiom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paxiom)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/426 "2018-01-14T22:21:10Z")
> [@Mei\_Seung-Li](#): > > > [@Paxiom](#): > > > > regular corps that want to do those types of activities in rental space > > Then why aren’t they there in the first place? Since apparently after reading through things, many of these botting corps seem to have been somewhat of an open secret for years. There are renter corps throughout eve , in a number of different rental alliances. Are you asking why all the space hasn’t been sucked up by these people ? Cloak campers , burn out , constant pvp gangs , full scale invasion, better deals , change of scenery, loss of key members, logistics getting camped, bad land lords, land lords retaking their space for XXXXX., rental price hikes, bad i-hub upgrades and location,location,location. That’s just off the top of my head on why some of these places were unrented or the renters left. ---
**Author:** ![Bank\_McBanks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bank_mcbanks/32/43036_2.png) [@Bank\_McBanks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bank_McBanks)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/427 "2018-01-15T01:05:41Z")
@Wanda_Fayne I’m not sure but I suspect there are Charon freighter bots operating in the Jita to Amarr trade corridor. They are all 2-3mo npc toons, piloting Charons, and they use autopilot. It maybe be 20 accounts with a player running them, nor may not be. Character name is Aronin X, where X is the a load of various names like Aronin Bilbo, Aronin Blood etc (use the character finder in game). If I was a freighter pilot, I sure as hell wouldn’t autopilot through Niarja. Just some hopefully interesting info, but harder to deal with, as you’d need 16 odd cats… CODE can you help? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Sane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_sane/32/48656_2.png) [@The\_Sane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Sane)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/428 "2018-01-15T12:05:32Z")
I often see freighters on autopilot but I generally assume they are currently empty and therefore “safer” from ganks. If a bot has any complexity at all it would probably warp to 0 instead of use autopilot. And freighters in npc corps is not at all unexpected, a very large number of players create alts for the purpose of highsec hauling, I’m training one into a DST right now. But if you are saying that there are _genuinely 20_ freighters being multiboxed by one person then I am curious what hes trading in such high volume. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=22)