# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/812 "2018-01-24T17:05:33Z")
> [@Baba\_Ji](#): > > WITH THAT SAID. IT IS YOU SALVOS that is derailing this thread. Please cease and desist. Nah. There has been ample support in this thread for my proposal, as relevant to OP, for me to continue. My proposal offers a 33-66% reduction in ALL bot up-times, at only the cost of 5-10sec/hr by players. Show me a better proposal, or stop trolling, ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/813 "2018-01-24T19:30:38Z")
what he is saying dipshit… Is make your own thread, this thread is not about proposing jack ■■■■, so yeah you are derailing it. So unfuq yourself and make some reports on how they are a bad thing or not a bad thing…or where they are hiding/used. jesus christ you do this in every thread you get on, start ■■■■ and then never STFU… So please STFU, ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/814 "2018-01-24T19:42:47Z")
> [@Baba\_Ji](#): > > Also if I read your idea correctly,that it wouldn’t occur unless certain parameters went into action. To me that meant that those at their keyboard actually playing wouldn’t have to incur the captchas. Correct? This was from my part of the idea. Salvos liked it, mostly, but wasn’t worried about it too much, considered it more advanced for later, etc. > [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > How can you guarantee this? I’m more or less with you up to this point. Gadget, this has been my main concern/contribution to the thread. I think everything regarding this is in my posts, or replied to in my posts, or quoted in my posts. I’m not saying my posts are great or anything, but if you wanted a sort of topic search on this you search my posts as a shortcut. I think all my posts on this thread are either this topic you want about making the tests safe and less annoying or “Teckos, you’re being an idiot.” Directly regarding your AFK bio question, I think it’s fine to get a bot-test then. When you go AFK like that, which is fine, you take all sorts of risk (ganking, etc.) so I don’t feel bad about problems from a bot test. Regarding other situations, the game “knows” if bads are around you (even if you don’t) so it’s somewhat easy to not accidentally put you in danger. One thing on this issue that Salvos and I disagree on, is that he wants a bot-test failure to be unrecoverable until you log back in. I think you should be able to “save” the situation at any time after you fail by trying again. This is knowing that sometimes “life happens” but as is the nature of EvE there is still risk you might not come back to your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/815 "2018-01-24T19:55:43Z")
I have a late night tonight, but I’ll re-read the thread soon - likely tomorrow. As for the concerns I had, I’m actually okay with an AFK player being forced off. I am leery of a non-bot player being reported for botting because of lack of attention. I don’t mind risk, but I do like to know how to weigh the risk factors. Thanks for the info, and I’ll read up before responding any further. –Appreciative Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/816 "2018-01-24T20:21:57Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > what he is saying dipshit… > > Is make your own thread, this thread is not about proposing jack ■■■■, so yeah you are derailing it. > > So unfuq yourself and make some reports on how they are a bad thing or not a bad thing…or where they are hiding/used. jesus christ you do this in every thread you get on, start ■■■■ and then never STFU… > > So please STFU, He seems to have alot of unallocated time on his hands and is looking for some direction. Each to their own. I have a break from my regular work so I know what its like to want something other than the usual humdrum of daily life. It slightly annoyed me being called a troll for this thread,but as I stated previous,I can handle it. What it did do what get me thinking about what a trash heap many MMO’s have become from many directions. Including Players,Development,PR and more. Thinking about when gaming was in the spirit of “fun”. Thinking of days from my youth and it led me to here. [http://www.twingalaxies.com](http://www.twingalaxies.com) A site that host world records. While looking through their list I discovered a game which I play a lot and was very good at. I found the game and went LOLWTFLOLWTFLOLWTF!!! That record can’t be right. I easily beat it by an exponential number. I won’t for obvious reason name the game other than it was an arcade game. I am going to contact them and find out whats with the WTF score to verify if its real. If it is I am going to find the arcade video game and go from there. I don’t care about any recognition or even a line in the Guinness record book. It was a fun game and not requiring my ass glued to a chair,it could for a small moment be fun again. I’ll continue on with Eve online but sometimes the sand box gets kinda smelly with all the… Thanks Salvos 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/817 "2018-01-24T21:21:14Z")
Catchapchas are lame, the future is AI evaluating your behavior. > **[How the internet found a better way than illegible squiggles to prove you're not...](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/13/captcha-prove-not-a-robot-internet)** > > Captcha has evolved from identifying mangled letters to web users unwittingly training Google’s AI. Now, finally, you won’t have to do anything ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/818 "2018-01-24T21:34:51Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Catchapchas are lame, the future is AI evaluating your behavior. Using Bots to figure out if I’m a bot. –Gadget’s mind is blown 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/819 "2018-01-24T23:04:40Z")
> [@Baba\_Ji](#): > > The premise that I can’t be trusted No one can be trusted. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/820 "2018-01-24T23:13:50Z")
Sounds like a personal issue. I do trust those that I do trust. Its making good choices really ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/821 "2018-01-24T23:26:07Z")
You can call it what you like. The best choice is to assume that aultruism is a fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/822 "2018-01-24T23:29:07Z")
You took the liberty of quoting out of context. Way out of context. Sorry it triggered you. Save it for Salvos. I’m really not interested in your lack of initiative to relieve your boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/823 "2018-01-24T23:30:02Z")
Blah blah blah. Nothing interesting to say but troll. Gotcha. You were the one triggered by your own inference that someone didnt trust you. Theres no reason why they should. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/824 "2018-01-24T23:30:57Z")
/snore ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/825 "2018-01-25T02:28:02Z")
> [@Anne\_Dieu-le-veut](#): > > I have to agree with this. It took massive outrage and multiple threads about distro mission bots and bots in general for CCP to ban a token 1000ish accounts. No, it took that to get CCP to tell you they did. Not that they werent banning accounts or doing things in the past but simply to share that information with you. It might seem like a subtle difference but its a huge difference. But alas… squeaky wheel gets the grease is a global human thing.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/826 "2018-01-25T02:33:51Z")
> [@Eternus8lux8lucis](#): > > Not that they werent banning accounts or doing things in the past but simply to share that information with you. Evidence suggests otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/827 "2018-01-25T02:40:02Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > There are lots of ways to make a game un-bottable. Bots aren’t endemic to every game out there. Or even most games. Please tell me how you have solved the bot scourge in modern games? Ill be here waiting… and waiting… and waiting… ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/828 "2018-01-25T02:48:09Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > Evidence suggests otherwise. People wish to see what they wish to see in statistics. Falcon posted some stats and you assumed that it must be all there is to it. That is nearsighted at best. So unless you know everything about CCPs antibotting initiatives then you are forced to admit that these stats are simply a part of a whole but not the whole itself. In fact this will be the same argument you will try to use against me and have in your quote. Should I go on…? ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/829 "2018-01-25T02:48:11Z")
_I_ haven’t. _I’m_ not a game dev. However, most games I’ve played don’t have bots. They certainly have cheaters if you let them cheat, but not bots. Most games, even ones with mindless gameplay, have gameplay that’s non-conducive to botting. People bot in EVE because mining sucks. Ratting sucks. Travel sucks. Babysitting orders sucks. Most of the actual game mechanics in EVE just aren’t actually fun or engaging. > [@Eternus8lux8lucis](#): > > In fact this will be the same argument you will try to use against me and have in your quote. Should I go on…? Rhetorical devices are just that. No, we don’t have statistics on all the anti-bot measures CCP may or may not be engaging in. However, it looks like it’s been years since they’ve engaged in any, given the state of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/830 "2018-01-25T02:52:05Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > Most of the actual game mechanics in EVE just aren’t actually fun or engaging. That I might tend to agree with you on to some degree… after 15 years of playing the game. 😉 But then theres a lot of unfun stuff after youve done it enough in real life as well. A cheat code, an aim bot, etc are all the same thing. And in single player games it is more about cheat codes than botting software, while in MMOs its about botting period. I watched my ex gf play a various amount of MMOs right here beside me and showed me bots active in her games as well as Ive seen in Eve. Please, I want to know your extensive experience with games in this regard. Im curious how you are stopping the botting hordes that apparently both exist and dont exist, like they were some quantum state realities, in Eve and in other games. Im deathly curious… all ears mate. ---
**Author:** ![Eternus8lux8lucis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternus8lux8lucis/32/385152_2.png) [@Eternus8lux8lucis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternus8lux8lucis)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/831 "2018-01-25T02:53:03Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > Rhetorical devices are just that. No, we don’t have statistics on all the anti-bot measures CCP may or may not be engaging in. However, it looks like it’s been years since they’ve engaged in any, given the state of the game. So again your keen eye is the only metric? No actual data? Only inferences and suppositions then? Cheers. I need another beer.😈 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=42)