# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1013 "2018-02-07T12:25:53Z")
Punkbuster/Blizzard would get updates from a central server so it knows what to scan for and can respond to changes, it would still run locally in the same way virus protection runs. youll simply get booted from eve if suspect software is detected. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1014 "2018-02-07T12:27:11Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > M8 we’re all more or less already being watched for worse things such as potential terrorist ties/activity so if your government discovers you like MLP pron or something no biggie That process is different, and involves legal warrants to get data from service providers, as a result of law-enforcement/prosecution having sufficient cause for suspicion of a crime to apply for one. This isnt about pron. Its about companies having access to your personal PC, without due process to obtain it. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1015 "2018-02-07T12:28:18Z")
Funny, now you sound like a botter. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1016 "2018-02-07T12:29:46Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Funny, now you sound like a botter. Will you give me access to your PCs processes, now, right here? ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1017 "2018-02-07T12:31:45Z")
Thats a silly question. you’re not part of any company that offers me services. Services that I subscribe to can have access to my pc. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1018 "2018-02-07T12:36:29Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Thats a silly question. you’re not part of any company that offers me services. Services that I subscribe to can have access to my pc. So you pay them, so they can access your PC, instead of giving me that access for free? See what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1019 "2018-02-07T12:36:30Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I think you will find the EVE community is vehemently pro-privacy. > [@Aaron](#): > > Thats a silly question. you’re not part of any company that offers me services. Services that I subscribe to can have access to my pc. Really? what is actually the bigger picture? I’ll try to search “privacy” in this forum first. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1020 "2018-02-07T12:39:24Z")
Im glad Im not the only person who sees babies and dirty plates in exactly the same way, though. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1021 "2018-02-07T12:40:48Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im glad Im not the only person who sees babies and dirty plates in exactly the same way, though. I think your mom joke is lost on most of us 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1022 "2018-02-07T12:42:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This is throwing the baby out with the dishwater. Just agreeing with you that children shouldnt use people baths, thats all. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1023 "2018-02-07T12:44:21Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > This is throwing the baby out with the dishwater. > > Just agreeing with you that children shouldnt use people baths, thats all. Ok. I failed the “bathwater” test… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mathra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mathra/32/416373_2.png) [@Mathra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mathra)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1024 "2018-02-07T12:55:10Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > That process is different, and involves legal warrants to get data from service providers, as a result of law-enforcement/prosecution having sufficient cause for suspicion of a crime to apply for one. It won’t be illegal to implement such a means of monitoring, it will just be evasive to some. To be illegal, there needs to be a criminal law preventing it - where you quoted the need to obtain warrants, that’s when you refuse to give consent and their are legal grounds to various bodies securing information for evidential purposes. With gaming, they can say, play this and here’s what your consenting to, as those games that use punkbuster do, or don’t play. Your choice. Yes, if this was implemented some would leave because they thought it was evasive, and some would come back as they now know CCP’s taking the matter seriously. Personally, playing games which are ‘policed’ by the like of punkbuster has never worried me and I for one would come back if this was implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1025 "2018-02-07T12:56:39Z")
An intrusive system like Punkbusters or Warden (WoW) is an option, but I dont think EVE players will agree to that. Im not sure such a system would even detect botters. By and large, I think EVE players are fiercely independent/autonomous, and unfortunately also have quite low confidence in CCP. I, for one, dont want CCP having access to my PC processes, or anyone else, unless they have a legal warrant to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Mathra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mathra/32/416373_2.png) [@Mathra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mathra)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1026 "2018-02-07T12:58:17Z")
I don’t know if it would or would not work either - plus I don’t know if this is the route they are taking / thinking of, just saying where the law is concerned. I’m starting to warm to you by the way Salvos 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1027 "2018-02-07T12:59:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > By and large, I think EVE players are fiercely independent/autonomous, and unfortunately also have quite low confidence in CCP. I really doubt that after looking at the 38 posts containing the word “privacy” [Search results for 'privacy' - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/search?expanded=true&q=privacy) Can you name an example of EVE players fighting bad privacy practice? ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1028 "2018-02-07T13:03:58Z")
The one I could remember was about Facebook: [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/509878/](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/509878/) [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/507776/](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/507776/) But in game and forum I had never been send anything related to Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1029 "2018-02-07T13:06:14Z")
> [@Mathra](#): > > I don’t know if it would or would not work either - plus I don’t know if this is the route they are taking / thinking of, just saying where the law is concerned. > > I’m starting to warm to you by the way Salvos 😁 Its an option, but: A) Can it provide data to prevent botting efficiently? How exactly will this process identify botters or prevent them? B) CCP or whomever provides that intrusive action will need to make assurances that data is strictly withheld except when ordered for release by warrant/subpoena. C) Will players agree to this level of intrusiveness on their PCs processes? ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1030 "2018-02-07T13:12:48Z")
I don’t see any issues with it as long as it doesn’t impede my PC in any function or slow it down. I’d feel abit more secure if CCP didn’t handle the managing of the software. Provided the software company was reputable beyond dispute and actually has the finances and manpower to maintain. Partially what I am saying is don’t award a contract to the lowest bidder. ---
**Author:** ![Mei\_Seung-Li](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mei_seung-li/32/171096_2.png) [@Mei\_Seung-Li](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mei_Seung-Li)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1031 "2018-02-07T13:14:05Z")
You sound like it’s the first time you’ve played an online game. Whenever you click that “accept” when you install an online game you are usually giving permission to that gaming company to monitor processes or data coming from your PC. You’ve probably done it dozens of times without a single thought in the past. Now you are getting suspicious? Blizzard and EA and Ubisoft probably already have information on whats running on your computer. And the companies usually don’t give out their scanning methodology, because it’s basically telling hackers how to get around their anti-cheat software. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1032 "2018-02-07T13:15:21Z")
> [@Rosov\_Aulmais](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > By and large, I think EVE players are fiercely independent/autonomous, and unfortunately also have quite low confidence in CCP. > > I really doubt that after looking at the 38 posts containing the word “privacy” [Search results for 'privacy' - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/search?expanded=true&q=privacy) > > Can you name an example of EVE players fighting bad privacy practice? A) CCP is very hardline on doxxing, of any kind. B) CCP explicitly forbids public discussion on CCP moderation actions. C) CCP has not been involved in client intrusive data collection., except as to block multiple Alphas or Alpha+Omega simultaneously, as of very recently. Those arent intrusive though, as they look at the IP/account details as sent to the servers. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=50) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=52)