# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1053 "2018-02-06T15:12:13Z")
Is it bad press for CCP, though? I mean, CCP does not get tired of touting how player-driven EVE is. You could argue that articles like these, describing how players take over the job of the developers, is exquisitely good press for CCP and their seemingly new development approach. Not to mention that other developers could take this as an example and “implement” similar approaches to counterwarfare against botting and just let players do the developers’ jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1054 "2018-02-06T15:26:57Z")
I read the article. It could be presented in a more professional manner. Thats gaming I guess. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1055 "2018-02-06T15:37:26Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/8): > > I have to admit, I’m starting to want to bot now. I could use a couple extra grand a month. Don’t let the prince of Captcha read that. Its already known you/we are botters. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1056 "2018-02-06T15:38:10Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/10): > > describing how players take over the job of the developers, is exquisitely good press for CCP and their seemingly new development approach Players cant ban, CCP can. Players dont have the most powerful tool in their hands. CCP will never give players ability to ban. Botters would move stuff to alt, change system and continue, without ban across accounts and their stuff removed from the game. While it may be good press, its only for community members who decided to fight against botting. Its bad press for CCP and bad news for people who wanted to try EVE. Lack of reaction resulting in game seen as ridden with unfair competition in the form of bots, effectively repulsing players who ever considered joining, as peple dont like unfair competition, bots, RMT, aimbots, you name it. It could bring some botters tho, like sharks who feel the blood in the water, they would want to bite off the bit for them. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1057 "2018-02-06T15:43:53Z")
You don’t need to ban players to drive the bots out of the game. Enough sanctioned or turned-a-blind-eye-on harassment like it is taking place with all the botters EVE people cry about is enough over time to make botting not worth the effort and cost. And CCP doesn’t need to do anything. Furthermore, it even increases destruction and player interaction. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1058 "2018-02-06T15:49:30Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/10): > > Is it bad press for CCP, though? Yeah. Obviously. > [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/10): > > You could argue that articles like these, describing how players take over the job of the developers, is exquisitely good press for CCP No you couldn’t. It would make no sense and you would sound silly. Basically a botting problem is the same as a pay to win problem. People are tuned to weed out ■■■■ games and not try them these days. All it takes is the right “buzzword” (P2W, Botting, Toxic Playerbase etc) and a piece of software can tank very quickly indeed, just like anything else publicity based. This is great. Hopefully more articles about the subject will follow from other outlets. > [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/14): > > Enough sanctioned or turned-a-blind-eye-on harassment like it is taking place with all the botters EVE people cry about is enough over time to make botting not worth the effort and cost. Absolute rubbish. You reckon the few anti-botting players are making even the slightest dent in the grand scheme of botting in EvE? So naive. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1059 "2018-02-06T15:52:54Z")
I am merely pondering. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1060 "2018-02-06T15:58:31Z")
Not sure what this is all about here. CCP clearly stated that at least two dudes came in at a weekend a month ago or so to ban some bots. So we are good now… right? we are good now? wasn’t enough? ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1061 "2018-02-06T16:56:08Z")
If they are botting then investigate it similar to the way Stu miner did, place a bubble and do a log on trap using a decent pvp fleet. all of this sounds like easy pvp to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1062 "2018-02-06T17:06:12Z")
Maybe CCP should take steps to increase ISK price of PLEX relative to RL currency price. Remove the profitiability and you remove a lot of incentive. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1063 "2018-02-06T17:11:28Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/19): > > Maybe CCP should take steps to increase ISK price of PLEX relative to RL currency price. > > Remove the profitiability and you remove a lot of incentive. I spun my head around that several times and got. huh? Isn’t botter scale beyond any value to consider it a loss of profitability? ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1064 "2018-02-06T17:25:59Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/20): > > Isn’t botter scale beyond any value to consider it a loss of profitability? I am not sure why you would think it is? ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1065 "2018-02-06T17:44:26Z")
It will take numerous additional articles and news coverage before CCP takes effective action against bots and by then, it may be too late to retain those paying customers fed up with the lack of EULA enforcement. Compared to both the aggressive and effective actions by the devs of PUBG, not to mention their constant communication with their players, CCP’s anemic action (or lack of effective action) reinforces the idea that CCP values money coming from bot users over the rank and file EVE players. Over 5 years since the last big purge; 5 years of little if any communication from Team Security, 5 years of voicing our concerns and suggestions, and years of being told to just wait and CCP will be fixing the problem SOON. If CCP is not going to make an effective effort to have alll players play/pay for EVE by the same rules, then EVE deserves to fall into the dustheap with other failed games that forgot the rules/tennets that made them originally a success. As it now stands, the bot problem is bleeding out CCP’s reputation faster than anything else, including the recent layoffs. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1066 "2018-02-06T18:00:12Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/22): > > CCP’s anemic action (or lack of effective action) reinforces the idea that CCP values money coming from bot users over the rank and file EVE players. Um… What money coming from Botters? If anything, don’t the botters drain money? They don’t need to subscribe. They could easily PLEX those account. And even if they did sub, wouldn’t they most likely be engaged in real money transactions which also draws money away from CCP? I really am curious as to how botters are generating money for CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1067 "2018-02-06T18:22:26Z")
In every botting discussions there is always one of those crackpots who thinks CCP is complicit. This just completely poisens every discussion about the real issue, which is that CCP simply understaffs the teams responsible for keeping those bots out of the game while burning the subscriber money on the next of hilmars pipedreams. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1068 "2018-02-06T18:26:24Z")
PLEX bring CCP more money than subscription because a subscription costs something between 15-10 Euro, a 500 PLEX pack 20 Euro. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1069 "2018-02-06T18:29:29Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/23): > > They don’t need to subscribe. They could easily PLEX those account. Same thing really. Somebody has to buy the PLEX in the first place from CCP (aside from the occasional award PLEX from buddy trials or something). Buying a PLEX from the market is essentially the same for CCP as buying one from them directly. It actually makes CCP more money for someone to buy PLEX on the in game market than they get from someone who pays a sub. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1070 "2018-02-06T18:29:41Z")
Complicity through negligence or incompetence is still complicity. They are still making a specific decision as to what is and is not important to them, and undeniably signaling that priority to the world. Yes, CCP is complicit. Period. > [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/26): > > Buying a PLEX from the market is essentially the same for CCP as buying one from them directly. I’d add to this that on a business level, CCP has no need (nor has demonstrated a tendency to) care what the isk plex prices are. They only care at the rate they are being purchased and consumed. High plex prices mean only botters can afford plex. Prices drop, everyone can afford them. CCP doesn’t care, market forces take care of supply and demand without intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1071 "2018-02-06T18:33:49Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/27): > > Yes, CCP is complicit. Period. This. Because they are still talking about investigating those who “might” be botting, rather than just working toward a system which is mechanically difficult to automate. I use Captchas as an example of such a system, though I can see how they would not be a particularly good solution. Deliberately taking the whispy un-demonstrable option only shows that the company is more concerned with deniability than a solution. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1072 "2018-02-06T18:42:25Z")
> [@PC Gamer article about EvE Online Botting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pc-gamer-article-about-eve-online-botting/55704/27): > > High plex prices mean only botters can afford plex And yet high PLEX prices acts as a deterent to botting… 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=52) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=54)