# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1154 "2018-02-08T14:10:27Z")
I am starting to wonder if Aaron is salaried or commission only. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1155 "2018-02-08T14:13:21Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They irony that PLEX, which was implemented to combat RMT, has instead ended up encouraging it. Source? I assume you have evidence or info from a relevant expert? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1156 "2018-02-08T14:17:04Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > Source? I assume you have evidence or info from a relevant expert? I cant link sources, as it would link to RMTers. RMT sells PLEX, isk, all manner of ingame assets, and characters, for cash. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1157 "2018-02-08T14:18:59Z")
It was from the devblogs and dev discussion back when it was added, including all the press releases. The idea was that if players had a legitimate legal way to RMT, it would reduce the amount of business regular RMTers would have. And it sort of worked for a while, until they adapted. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1158 "2018-02-08T14:19:54Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > … You don’t understand how bots, or Punkbusters, work. I’m no expert either, but I know enough to seriously doubt Punkbusters can detect/block bots in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1159 "2018-02-08T14:28:11Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I cant link sources, as it would link to RMTers. > > RMT sells PLEX, isk, all manner of ingame assets, and characters, for cash. Ok well maybe you would like to share the empirical data you have gleaned from going to all these RMT sites and tracking transaction volume, price, etc ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1160 "2018-02-08T14:31:54Z")
Oh I know the history. I was asking for a source regarding PLEX no longer decreasing demand for RMT ISK ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1161 "2018-02-08T14:46:35Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > Ok well maybe you would like to share the empirical data you have gleaned from going to all these RMT sites and tracking transaction volume, price, etc I dont have that data. If you are interested, get it yourself. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you arent trying to argue that there are not RMT sellers operating via major sales websites or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1162 "2018-02-08T14:55:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I dont have that data SO you claim that plex has, counter to CCP claims/intention, increased the amount of RMT as opposed to limited it. Correct? And yet you have no empirical data which corroberates that claim. Ok, not everyone gathers thier own data. Thats fine. Presumably, then, you have sourced your claim from 3rd party analysis. Analysis that looks at the data you did not gather. So can you link to that instead? And no I am aware that there are RMT operations. That wasn’t a claim I was interested in. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1163 "2018-02-08T15:11:25Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > SO you claim that plex has, counter to CCP claims/intention, increased the amount of RMT as opposed to limited it. Correct? Its not counter to CCP claims. PLEX is one of the commodities sold for RMT, as well as facilitating acquisition of other commodities/accounts for sale from the game, for cash. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1164 "2018-02-08T15:11:39Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > I was under the impression that a lot of bots and scripts were homegrown. Find a tutorial somewhere and compile your own There is forum (also discourse like these eve forums) where a guy is selling a bot and people share the scripts. Its huge. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1165 "2018-02-08T15:15:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its not counter to CCP claims Oh good. So you can point me to a dev blog, fanfest presentation, Dev social media post, etc in which CCP says things which provide agree with your claim : PLEX has increased RMT I am aware of what a PLEX is and that you can purchase from RMT sites… That is not the question either. Deap breath…focus…good Salvos. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1166 "2018-02-08T15:17:39Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You do not know what you’re talking about here and I think you should be humble and see if you can learn something instead of pretending you know about this. > > Theres nothing you can say here, a punkbuster type solution is the answer here. Learn about it and talk to experienced online gamers to get an insight. I just love the irony in that post. You tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and he should stop pretending and then you do exactly what you accuse him of doing. Having heard about some software or buzzword somewhere doesn’t make you an expert about it. It’s not as simple as “hey let’s just integrate anti-cheat xyz”. It may or may not work for its intended purpose and there are also severe, non-obvious downsides to such a system that you **have to** factor in. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1167 "2018-02-08T15:19:54Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > PLEX has increased RMT RMT sells PLEX for cash. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1168 "2018-02-08T15:26:07Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > RMT sells PLEX for cash. Since the part of my post you quoted was what I thought your claim was, does your reply consitute a correction? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1169 "2018-02-08T15:45:40Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > RMT sells PLEX for cash. > > Since the part of my post you quoted was what I thought your claim was, does your reply consitute a correction? No. It carries my earlier point that PLEX has become a source of cash income for RMT. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1170 "2018-02-08T15:53:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It carries my earlier point that PLEX has become a source of cash income for RMT. It’s been the case for a very long time now, are you just waking up to that fact ? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1171 "2018-02-08T15:54:58Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > It carries my earlier point that PLEX has become a source of cash income for RMT. > > It’s been the case for a very long time now, are you just waking up to that fact ? No. Ive been pointing out that CCP lost control of PLEX for years. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1172 "2018-02-08T15:56:25Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It carries my earlier point that PLEX has become a source of income for RMT. But that was never under scrutiny. Let me remind you of the claim I asked for evidence of: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They irony that PLEX, which was implemented to combat RMT, has instead ended up encouraging it. Unless you mean PLEX encourages RMT in the same way that putting Gisti C-type Invuls into loot tables – or essentially having any ingame currency/items – encourages RMT? Is that what you were getting at? Not that there is more RMT now than before PLEX? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1173 "2018-02-08T16:00:48Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > Is that what you were getting at? Not that there is more RMT now than before PLEX? I cant speak to before PLEX, nor does it matter anymore. The present is what we have to deal with. An RMT source, today, can sell PLEX for less cash than CCP. That PLEX was originally bought from CCP, is arbitrary. The RMTers are still making money to support their operations, that otherwise clients would have spent paying CCP to get a PLEX. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=57) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=59)