# Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538 "2017-10-27T10:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1600 "2018-04-10T10:49:40Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/4): > > At this point I’m all for a gigantic ass CAPTCHA in the middle of the screen every 5 minutes. If you don’t immediately solve it, all your modules shut off. I’d put up with that for a couple months straight if it would get rid of the ratting and mining bots… That wouldn’t really help anything ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1601 "2018-04-10T11:17:53Z")
I posted on this at length before. A mixed bag of pop-up minigames will confound bots. Even one per hour will be enough to wreck bots otherwise left to run for 2-23 hrs. They may be able to deal with any of of them individually, but not when they are drawn from a random pool of such minigames, especially if they are formatted to confound bots with random colors/shapes/movement etc. They will be trivial for a human to solve, but bots cant handle them. Even just a set of 5 distinct such minigames, with random elements, will stump bots utterly, once per hour. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1602 "2018-04-10T11:25:59Z")
![Dial](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/1/c16ed9b58837a6b37476a5e371b564eb5f0c509e.jpg) ![Slidingbars](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/7/9782844894de56ef0b83378f8bb583b2fdc0af60.jpg) ![Vortex](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/d/1dfd4a6780f687b04cd5346d4318af7b7bc74904.jpg) ![AntibotField](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41304413d7e77ee1528d5b3f5c508cb1e03a4860.jpg) These are just a few very rudimentary drafts. Im sure CCP can do much better, and “EVEify” them to look better. ---
**Author:** ![Ivan\_Bloodguard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ivan_bloodguard/32/49954_2.png) [@Ivan\_Bloodguard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ivan_Bloodguard)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1603 "2018-04-10T12:15:15Z")
Adding a Captcha is like having RL roadblocks and searches every 20 miles of road. IMO, it’s a terrible idea to put the law-abiding population through a big hassle just to catch the rule-breaking minority. Not saying something doesn’t need to be done, just saying it’s not an acceptable solution. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1604 "2018-04-10T12:21:14Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/33): > > Adding a Captcha is like having RL roadblocks and searches every 20 miles of road. Meh, spending 3-5s completing a simple minigame once an hour is not a big deal. I spend more time picking my nose. Especially not compared to how devastating that would be for bots, especially the “permabots” that run currently for up to 23hrs per day. ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1605 "2018-04-10T12:26:44Z")
You are about to meet a lot of resistance, the AFK cloaking group especially. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1606 "2018-04-10T12:27:21Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/35): > > You are about to meet a lot of resistance, the AFK cloaking group especially. Not my first rodeo on this topic. They are scared, cos Im right, and my proposal is very simple to implement and only a tiny inconvenience for legit players vs how utterly it will wreck botters. For me, everytime I spend a few seconds to complete the 1/hr minigame, I will laugh heartily at how badly its hurting botters. PS: This wont affect afk cloakers. As long as they are inactive, nothing changes. The minigames only prevent activation of modules/ship functions until they are completed. Any afk player that isnt making any actions, wont be affected. They just wont be able to make actions, until they complete the minigame, ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1607 "2018-04-10T12:32:30Z")
Give some isk reward for completing your mini games and i dont mind 😂 btw bots should be detected. this is the right method. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1608 "2018-04-10T12:33:25Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/37): > > Give some isk reward for completing your mini games and i dont mind 😂 A reward of some kind is something that can be considered. I think I remember suggesting points from each minigame completion that can be used to buy a special “Im not a bot” or something SKIN/apparel. For me, the knowledge that the system is absolutely wrecking botters, is reward enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1609 "2018-04-10T12:44:49Z")
But what if your mini game pops up in a fight, or in a pve situation where you really need to concentrate? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1610 "2018-04-10T12:47:45Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/39): > > But what if your mini game pops up in a fight, or in a pve situation where you really need to concentrate? These where addressed in previous threads. The minigame popup would not occur when the ship is targetted. More conditions can be added to prevent popups at inopportune moments, but only so that they dont enable botters to chain content without a popup. Ideal would be during warps, as all target locks are ended during warp, thus preventing a botter artificially locking his bot alt while transiting between content via warp. The warp period also allows for time for a player to solve the minigame, while they are not at any risk. ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1611 "2018-04-10T12:57:19Z")
And what happens if a retarded player(i know some from this forum lol.) cant solve the minigame while warping to the next site? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1612 "2018-04-10T12:58:59Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/41): > > And what happens if a retarded player(i know some from this forum lol.) cant solve the minigame while warping to the next site? They can attempt it as often as they want. Until they solve it, they will be unable to perform any ship/module command. ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1613 "2018-04-10T13:08:38Z")
Ok but lets say someone cant solve it for whatever reason when warping to the next site. Rats could kill him ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1614 "2018-04-10T13:49:43Z")
> [@Stopping the bots](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/stopping-the-bots/68656/43): > > Ok but lets say someone cant solve it for whatever reason when warping to the next site. Rats could kill him The minigames are so simple a child can solve them. (But a bot cant, due to them being drawn from a pool of several different minigames, and each being randomized by color/figures/shapes/movement per instance) If they cant, then yes, rats might kill them. Too bad. Too sad. EVE has never been kind to idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1615 "2018-04-10T14:01:18Z")
NO!!! Not again! Post Bot stuff here: > [@Eve Bots - are they a bad thing, is CCP complicit in their use?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1570): > > Excellent! Thank you for the update. I had been remiss and not checked updates recently. The itemised ban figures is a great improvement to the report and the SP extraction restriction will go a long way towards preventing them resetting up bot operations at very little cost. @ISD_Buldath Please help! You’re our only hope. –Gadget is not classified as a bot ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1616 "2018-04-10T14:11:56Z")
I don’t know, bots would refer to themselves in the same manner. also im still behind my program detection, worked great for tibia. it would even kill any attempt of isboxer as it would detect the input automation and kill it. ofcourse the program also did the banning when Tibia implemented it, so sortly after starting a bot/automation program, they would find themselves unable to log in with a nice little email. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1617 "2018-04-10T14:12:10Z")
Mmm, I agree with Gadget the “Not” Bot. I will merge this with the mega thread. ~Buldath ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1618 "2018-04-10T14:19:27Z")
Thanks, saves me having to repeat my proposals. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538/1619 "2018-04-10T14:20:12Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > But a bot cant, due to them being drawn from a pool of several different minigames, and each being randomized by color/figures/shapes/movement per instance You’re just going to change the bar from “stupid programmer can write a bot” to “half-decent programmer can write a bot”, while annoying paying customers and alpha clowns. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=79) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-bots-are-they-a-bad-thing-is-ccp-complicit-in-their-use/34538.md?page=81)