# EVE CLASSIC **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425 "2021-06-23T11:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/164 "2021-10-30T13:25:28Z")
Eve classic - No time for that. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/165 "2021-10-30T17:27:10Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Ah so you know you’re beaten and are arguing in bad faith. Got it. > > So the nado can only be used for ganking? Show me where it says that ROFL. > > Do you mean to say only gankers can buy nados? What in failsauce is this? lol, what a fail troll, nowhere in this thread did I say anything remotely like that. All you forum warriors are exactly the same, reading way too much into what’s actually written and then twisting it all around to present it totally out of context. But hey, more power to you if spending all your time here as a forum warrior really revs up your rocket ship instead of being in-game killing suicide gankers and protecting those mining fleets. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/166 "2021-10-30T18:25:43Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Their words aren’t a plea for justice, but lobbyism for personal gain. They only disguise it as the former in order to give their platform some semblance of credibility. So true. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > It’s like people sit around convincing themselves they are completely powerless, and in so doing actually become impotent by belief alone. Yesm. The victimhood mentally is very strong meow. It is sad to see. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Contrast that with today, when the “merc contracts” channel has been shut down for over 5 years because _literally no one_ was willing to pay for work for any reason. I was very sad to see that. I always felt merc corps were such a neat player content. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The majority of today’s EVE players are whiny, ineffectual wussies who take _pride_ in their weakness and self-claimed victimhood. They view complaining about everything and a lack of self-confidence and assertiveness and positive traits, though that seems to go hand-in-hand with what’s been going on in the real world lately. This should be emblazoned upon every station interior throughout New Eden. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > lol, what a fail troll, nowhere in this thread did I say anything remotely like that. All you forum warriors are exactly the same, reading way too much into what’s actually written and then twisting it all around to present it totally out of context. > > But hey, more power to you if spending all your time here as a forum warrior really revs up your rocket ship instead of being in-game killing suicide gankers and protecting those mining fleets. 🤣 How am I trolling? I notice you didn’t answer any of my questions. I notice all you’ve done is dodge. Oh? Check my killboard mate. I’ve done more time in Uedama than you. I spent a month figuring out the best ways to AG and all the ship fits for it. I was going to post a guide but then I realized some things. 1. The guide itself is only effective if people actually DO something about ganking. And as you’ve demonstrated the majority of people in New Eden seem to think its impossible to do anything. 2. People don’t even follow basic space sense and fit their ships appropriately. If people actually fitted a tank on their indys, then they’d have a chance. But when people haul an anthanor/core thru Uedama in a t1 indy with no tank? Ain’t enough logi/antimatter to save them. It isn’t out of context tho. You literally said tornados can only be used by gankers which is false. Hell, you can use a nado to gank the ganker nado since it’ll have no tank. Please learn to EVE kthx. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/167 "2021-10-30T19:01:09Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It isn’t out of context tho. You literally said tornados can only be used by gankers which is false. And there it is again, twisting what I actually said and presenting it completely out of context. I never said Tornados can only be used by gankers. Please learn to read kthxbye. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/168 "2021-10-30T19:26:23Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > On a side note, it sure is funny how pro-gank players claim there’s a way to discourage gankers in Catalyst’s from attacking when gankers also use Tornado’s for ganking… 🙄 So just tell us what gankers using tornados for ganking has to do with people using tornados to shoot catalysts and why you find it so eyerollingly funny. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/169 "2021-10-30T19:30:08Z")
Don’t know where you got that interpretation from but in the future please learn how to follow the conversation correctly instead of twisting it all around. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/170 "2021-10-30T19:38:07Z")
You’re deliberately being obtuse and refusing to offer any clarity. You must know where I got the interpretation from (it is a direct quote) and, if it is incorrect, what relevant facts or passages I’ve overlooked. Can’t you just be earnest in a discussion and explain what you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/171 "2021-10-30T19:44:18Z")
You’re more likely to get an Apple Mac Pro without The Notch than a rewind of Eve. It’s all about the World of Eve doubloon and crate sales now. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/172 "2021-10-30T19:46:08Z")
Every time someone catches him on a booboo he states it to be a personal attack of some sort, “allowing” him to then focus on said attack and how inferior that person must be for being so despicable. So he doesn’t “have to” actually defend his earlier statements. Always the same, never changes, always on cue. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/173 "2021-10-30T19:56:31Z")
If you had followed the convo correctly, you would have seen talk about a fleet of heavily tanked Mining ships can be protected from Catalysts suicide ganking them if they’re escorted by a support fleet of Tornados. My reply was that suicide gankers also use Tornados as well. Meaning they don’t just use Catalysts. Anyway, you’re deliberately trying to twist things around when you know exactly what I’m talking about so please don’t play like you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/174 "2021-10-30T20:00:21Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Every time someone catches him on a booboo he states it to be a personal attack of some sort, “allowing” him to then focus on said attack and how inferior that person must be for being so despicable. So he doesn’t “have to” actually defend his earlier statements. > > Always the same, never changes, always on cue. lol, you’re a newly created lying forum alt, Grow a pair and post with your main… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/175 "2021-10-30T20:07:13Z")
See, you’ve just proven my point. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/176 "2021-10-30T20:17:50Z")
I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and every chance to be understood. Sometimes I know it’s not the wisest thing I could do, but I still feel like I should try to get everyone on the same page so that we can all maybe learn from each other. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/177 "2021-10-30T20:19:37Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And there it is again, twisting what I actually said and presenting it completely out of context. > > I never said Tornados can only be used by gankers. > > Please learn to read kthxbye. Of course you knew what you were implying. And no one ganks miners with nados due to the logistics invovled. So either you are completely inexperienced or engaging in sophistry. Honestly, its kind of a let down. I’d expect better from a dude who made the standings guide. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > My reply was that suicide gankers also use Tornados as well. > > Meaning they don’t just use Catalysts. But no one uses nados to gank miners. You can figure out why right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/178 "2021-10-30T20:24:54Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Random words A guy who doesn’t understand suicide ganking mechanics twisting himself into a pretzel trying to start an argument to distract attention from it. Don’t take the bait, DeMicheal. Unless you enjoy watching him squirm, of course. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/179 "2021-10-30T20:28:08Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > A guy who doesn’t understand suicide ganking mechanics twisting himself into a pretzel trying to start an argument to distract attention from it. > > Don’t take the bait, DeMicheal. Unless you enjoy watching him squirm, of course. Pretty sure I understand it a bit more than you. Have you put any time into Uedama? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/180 "2021-10-30T20:30:04Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Of course you knew what you were implying. I wasn’t implying anything, that was you reading more into what was actually written. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > But no one uses nados to gank miners. You can figure out why right? Because mining ships are not heavily tanked and if they were, they definitely wouldn’t use a small Catalysts to do it. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I’d expect better from a dude who made the standings guide. Then don’t twist what was actually written and then falsely present it as fact. * * * > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > See, you’ve just proven my point. Only thing proven here is that you’re lying and you need to grow a pair and stop hiding behind your alt. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/181 "2021-10-30T20:32:01Z")
This has devolved into “No, I’m spartacus!” XD ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/182 "2021-10-30T20:36:20Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Don’t take the bait, DeMicheal. Unless you enjoy watching him squirm, of course. You’re right, definitely not worth the time. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425/183 "2021-10-30T20:38:04Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I wasn’t implying anything, that was you reading more into what was actually written. Ahh the sophistry LOL. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Because mining ships are not heavily tanked and if they were, they definitely wouldn’t use a small Catalysts to do it. Uh, but thats exactly what they use all the time. Nado sniping needs to be on soft targets that usually pop right away. If the skiff/proc has a tank they can just warp away. You need the cata fleet to apply tackle. I realize you don’t PvP so > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Then don’t twist what was actually written and then falsely present it as fact. Nah, its just sad to see you as a shamble of a person you used to be 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-classic/317425.md?page=10)