# EVE client and Ventura 13.4.1 client freezes in minutes **URL:** \ **Category:** Mac Issues\ **Created:** [July 16, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790 "2023-07-16T11:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yakasaimo_onzo/32/447095_2.png) [@Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yakasaimo_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/1 "2023-07-16T11:11:01Z")
So I “upgraded” my Mac Studio M1 MAX from Monterey to Ventura 13.4.1 and the EVE client freezes after a few minutes every time. First the mouse pointer stops responding, then the keyboard and finally the system reboots with a kernel panic. I “downgraded” to Monterey and all was well again. I tried a second time, upgrading to Ventura and the same thing happened. Back to Monterey and all was well again. Note that to “downgrade” I have to erase the internal SSD, so the second time I also erased the internal SSD before installing Ventura. No difference. Still kernel panics within minutes. Anyone successfully running Ventura with two EVE clients? ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Diphosphan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frank_diphosphan/32/389408_2.png) [@Frank\_Diphosphan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frank_Diphosphan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/2 "2023-07-18T18:13:42Z")
Since one week I have a Mac Studio M2 runing. I did a completely clean install. Eve runs very well compared to my old Intel iMac, but I have only one client. ---
**Author:** ![Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yakasaimo_onzo/32/447095_2.png) [@Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yakasaimo_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/3 "2023-08-16T08:02:20Z")
Hmm. Maybe it’s running multiple clients. Thanks for the (only) feedback 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Diphosphan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frank_diphosphan/32/389408_2.png) [@Frank\_Diphosphan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frank_Diphosphan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/4 "2023-08-16T09:17:58Z")
29 days after my post still not a single problem. Sorry for not been able to help. In case you have virus scanner software installed, disable it and try again. ---
**Author:** ![Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yakasaimo_onzo/32/447095_2.png) [@Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yakasaimo_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/5 "2023-08-31T08:03:17Z")
Nah, no virus scanner installed. Good thought though. ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Diphosphan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frank_diphosphan/32/389408_2.png) [@Frank\_Diphosphan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frank_Diphosphan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/6 "2023-08-31T13:32:45Z")
Another possible culprit could be Little Snitch. If you have it, check your rules. Sorry for not having better ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yakasaimo_onzo/32/447095_2.png) [@Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yakasaimo_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/7 "2023-09-07T11:07:24Z")
Any idea is better than my current no idea 🙂 Thanks for the suggestion, but no, I abandoned Little Snitch a few years ago when I placed a FreeBSD system (running on an old Mac mini) in from of my router as a flexible firewall / email server / web server. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-client-and-ventura-13-4-1-client-freezes-in-minutes/412790/8 "2023-12-06T11:08:05Z")
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