# Eve Concurrent Average Online under 20k now :( **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056 "2019-08-22T22:43:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/81 "2019-08-25T09:03:59Z")
Hellmar admitted, they are trying to make it harder for the Vets and easier for the noobs. so if a vet leaves because he can’t bot anymore, or can’t handle the “risk” then thats actually fine with ccp… especially if they are hoarding RMT’ers as well. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/82 "2019-08-25T09:10:02Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > ellmar admitted, they are trying to make it harder for the Vets and easier for the noobs. Which will always end up in becoming harder for the noobs and same for the vets (who can adapt), on the same playing field. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/83 "2019-08-25T09:14:49Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Like i said before, the era of chaos will likely remove a lot of the cancer that has been killing eve (non-interactive semi-afk pve farmers seeking eternal safety), and with a bit of luck, it will be replaced by active and chatty content creators. Hopefully this is just the start. I think you are wrong. AFK farming isn’t going anywhere but just elsewhere in the game. Bots are adepting, players are adepting. The era of chaos is just another failing attempt by ccp trying to tackle the real problems of the game: Alpha, Citadels, Injectors, Supers. These items are the cancer of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/85 "2019-08-25T09:19:24Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > Hellmar admitted, they are trying to make it harder for the Vets and easier for the noobs. > so if a vet leaves because he can’t bot anymore, or can’t handle the “risk” then thats actually fine with ccp… especially if they are hoarding RMT’ers as well. But they aren’t amking it more diffuclt more verts and easier for new players, it is the onther way around. CCP has no idea what Malcanis law is, they just don’t understand it, never had. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/87 "2019-08-25T11:25:25Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > AFK farming isn’t going anywhere but just elsewhere in the game. I noticed a jump in people buying orcas, so thats where i think it’s going. Moon mining or ice belts in hi-sec. Whilst it is just shifting, it’s not going to be as damaging here as it is in null. And i think high sec could do with the competition. Bring Your Own Bumpers. > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > Hellmar admitted, they are trying to make it harder for the Vets and easier for the noobs. By bringing up destruction maybe that would work, but the MER showed little change in destruction this past month. I think the others are right. Trigs make it harder to survive for noobs than vets. I haven’t lost anything to Trigs, but i have the impression that noobs are losing quite a few ships to them. Best way for noobs to get one up on older players has and always will be ganking, ninja-salvaging and wardecs. Unfortunately these are the features that are instead nerfed in the name of new player retention. ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/89 "2019-08-25T12:40:37Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Again bull-■■■■. no ccp ligit said that they want us to take medication just to long in and play eve, ive already seen a mass flux of either null sec people pulling out or quitting all together, im currently trying to find people to attack a 80 man mining fleet that has moved into 1 pocket that mines from dt to dt and the alliance he is friendly to has come from null sec and has already annoucned if you have a refinary in the pocket to take it down or lose it. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Trig recons in system, you know what people do that they didn’t before? Start talking in ■■■■■■■ local and telling eachother where they are. no one pays attention to local because everyone is either afking something or local doesnt exist because they want to play solo in an online game. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Unless CCP has recently changed it, players can’t run multiple Alpha accounts on a single computer. it hasnt been changed but its so easy to get multiple alphas online, i see people do it all the time. i had 1 guy asking about how to do it because he was wanting to have a hauler, and another guy advertising how to do it and how he wont get in trouble because people in his alliance do it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/91 "2019-08-25T19:47:00Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > no ccp ligit said that they want us to take medication just to long in and play eve And you took that as sincere? Lol ‘ligit’. And I’m the one called a fear monger. > [@Agondray](#): > > ive already seen a mass flux of either null sec people pulling out or quitting all together You mean the nullbears that cry about afk cloaking and the bots. The ones that dock up as soon as a non-blue enters local. You know they wont be missed by anyone except their landlords right? > [@Agondray](#): > > no one pays attention to local because everyone is either afking something or local doesnt exist because they want to play solo in an online game. Obviously not true again. If people are talking to eachother in local and I’m seeing them do so… > [@Agondray](#): > > im currently trying to find people to attack a 80 man mining fleet that has moved into 1 pocket that mines from dt to dt and the alliance he is friendly to has come from null sec and has already annoucned if you have a refinary in the pocket to take it down or lose it. You mean…content? ---
**Author:** ![bucegi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bucegi/32/374165_2.png) [@bucegi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bucegi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/92 "2019-08-26T12:46:11Z")
Brown nose ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/93 "2019-08-26T13:30:17Z")
I wouldn’t worry about it. It is a 100% scientifically proven fact that it is not possible to really leave EVE for good. They will be back in a couple of years to see what has changed. ---
**Author:** ![MadMuppet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madmuppet/32/161198_2.png) [@MadMuppet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MadMuppet)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/94 "2019-08-26T23:16:00Z")
Good changes! WOOT! ---
**Author:** ![Crash\_888](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crash_888/32/357008_2.png) [@Crash\_888](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crash_888)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/95 "2019-08-27T20:34:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boom_boom_longtime/32/503592_2.png) [@Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boom_Boom_Longtime)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/96 "2019-08-27T23:08:30Z")
Ack, surprised this thread is still open - the community spirit and feel good factor of his game started to subside when the isd were white collared and edgy humour was no longer permitted on the forums several years ago- no point me reflecting on the good old days, long gone now - skins, free sp and deviating from the core principles of what made this game different are now replaced with cash grab, skins, more skins and, actually more skins: and I may be wrong, but the concurrent numbers now probably speak for themselves - I hope ccp upper management have achieved their grand visions circa 2019 ---
**Author:** ![Kanzero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanzero/32/394038_2.png) [@Kanzero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanzero)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/97 "2019-08-27T23:33:41Z")
1. Change VNI to stop botters and regard regular players that use it as acceptable collateral damage 2. Botters adapt and start using Myrms and other ships within a week 3. Regular VNI players stop playing/reduce playing time, because there is no acceptable replacement within the same parameters 4. VNI stays changed Stuff like this is amazing to me. CCP PUNISHED regular good guy players for no reason at all. When you take out players’ favourite activities and there is no acceptable replacement they won’t “adapt”, they will go to WoW Classic. Personal example: I loved VNI ratting between pvp fleets and min maxing the cost/performance of the ship. It was my hobby. You might find it weird, but there it is. Now I have nothing to do between fleets, so I log in only for pings. Thus my time online is vastly diminished. Even when I am online it is hard to find content, because rregular dudes who used the VNI for income no longer have isk and cannot fund their pvp. Messing with the VNI brought the player count much more than every other Blackout event. When you purposefully remove a game feature people enjoy they will either not log in or straight up move to another game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/98 "2019-08-27T23:48:36Z")
> [@Kal\_Ray](#): > > Guess what happens when all the hare are gone? Do you know what happens when all the predators are gone? If you really want to look into the predator prey relationship and the ramifications of changing that relationship you should take a look at Yellowstone National Park. > **[Wolf Reintroduction Changes Ecosystem in Yellowstone](https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem?scope=anon)** > > Wolves are causing a tropic cascade of ecological change, including helping to increase beaver numbers and bring back aspen and vegetation. In the 1900’s the Grey Wolf was eradicated from the park, the herbivores bred unchecked, changed the ecosystem, lowered soil quality, and the landscape became unrecognisable. In the late 90’s the Grey Wolf was reintroduced to the park, the herbivore population fell back to more natural levels, the ecosystem recovered and the soil quality has improved. Prey in hisec far outnumber predators, admittedly some are alts. However if prey are alert or work together the predators will go for the low hanging fruit; nothing turns a ganker off more than a small group of Skiffs and Procurers with a ball of drone death hanging around. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/99 "2019-08-28T00:15:34Z")
news at 5 ccp introduce grey wolfs to new Eden all 100 suffocate then freeze in the vacuum of space new trials to begin in December this time with space suits ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/100 "2019-08-28T02:08:53Z")
The problem is all over Null, it is not any specific thing it is the rewards, they are unbelievable compared to the rest of EvE. They need to be massively reduced and the number of people each system can support needs to be reduced, then then it will make life better for all areas of EvE. ---
**Author:** ![SPT2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spt2/32/157708_2.png) [@SPT2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SPT2)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/101 "2019-08-28T07:15:45Z")
Well, blackout, nerf´s and bad changes make the mostly null sec Players quit at moment. When CCP think thats ok , new Players will come i think they are extreme wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/102 "2019-08-28T07:18:14Z")
Its not bad changes now, it is having to remove the stupid levels of rewards and low risk levels, into something sane. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/103 "2019-08-28T07:22:34Z")
Why would they clear out an area of players to replace it with players? Obviously thats not the reason. Maybe they just dont like you? ---
**Author:** ![Caldaran\_Lazair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caldaran_lazair/32/145171_2.png) [@Caldaran\_Lazair](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caldaran_Lazair)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/104 "2019-08-28T07:29:21Z")
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