# Eve Concurrent Average Online under 20k now :( **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056 "2019-08-22T22:43:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1238 "2019-11-15T07:07:06Z")
The objection was not significant on that basis. The objection was on all spaceship development being halted for an extended period of time, and the follow on was based on how bad the incarna launch was. Also on avatar gameplay being forced on peopke to replace existing game play in a less efficient manner. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1239 "2019-11-15T07:08:15Z")
The objection was broader than that. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1240 "2019-11-15T07:17:00Z")
Im sure one loud party wrecker did simply object to the idea of avatar gameplay. You can always find one example for anything. But on the whole it wasn’t the idea of avatar gameplay people objected to but how it impacted other things. Also the leaked memo and stuff became associated with avatars in people’s heads. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1241 "2019-11-15T07:18:41Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > But on the whole it wasn’t the idea of avatar gameplay people objected to but how it impacted other things. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1242 "2019-11-15T07:57:30Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > But on the whole it wasn’t the idea of avatar gameplay people objected to but how it impacted other things. > Also the leaked memo and stuff became associated with avatars in people’s heads. It was a culmination of CCP not having spent any time on EVE itself for years, WiS being an obvious alpha for another new MMO (WoD), $1000 jeans from CCP Zinfandel AND the moronic fearless memo. Avatar gameplay in and of itself is a great idea if it’s done well or even remotely decently well. What we actually got was insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1243 "2019-11-15T14:48:56Z")
This thread, like many others similar before it, will not stand pressure of time and actual server numbers. It will be higher then lower, than again higher and lower, who cares… Definitely who have to care is CCP, and if they will not care, why should anyone. Devs are constantly fixing the stupid and watch new players so that is something good. ---
**Author:** ![Senior\_Beavis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/senior_beavis/32/169662_2.png) [@Senior\_Beavis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Senior_Beavis)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1244 "2019-11-15T15:12:40Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > To be fair Hilmar did give black out a go. He just never had the balls or foresight to extend it into even 2 quarters. He took the down tick as botters left the game but did not either advertise or give time for actual players to take the uptick. The problem is that most botters didn’t leave the game, they just moved to high sec/other activities. Real players, on the other hand, WERE leaving in droves. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1245 "2019-11-15T15:20:48Z")
Blackout was not going to work. The nullsec botters were developing their own technology to work around the lack of local. If blackout had been continued they would have had automated intel tools based on gate jumps that would have made blackout irrelevant for them. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1246 "2019-11-15T16:40:20Z")
It was easy for CCP anyway to discover the botter systems, as they had capsules on gates as watchmen. Some monitoring tool would easily catch that sort of activity, Its at that point CCP automation picking up signals and working against bot automation. ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1247 "2019-11-15T21:15:34Z")
Blackoit was to be extended to scraping tools to. We were to kiss good bye to esi that allows 1 person to rule over entire alliance and even collation. With ESI gone the blue donut would be ripped apart overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boom_boom_longtime/32/503592_2.png) [@Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boom_Boom_Longtime)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1248 "2019-11-26T23:33:34Z")
I did actually log on tonight (against my better judgement), and again the concurrent online players was below 20k - not really sure what to say, not even trying to prove a point - genuinely hope ccp hilmar and the investors are happy with the cash out / milk the cow scenario that has now been reached. Theme park is here - Jurassic park anyone - what could go wrong - if I was to envisage hilmar in a hypothetical scenario, he would surely be one of the corporate people in those films that are motivated by profit, but get eaten by the reality of evolution and lack of understanding nature and the actual climate - no doubt in time, hilmar will turn eve decline around and these words will be fallacy, hue, hue, (extreme sarcasm given the fact ccp under hilmar has now sold the eve community and the ethos of the original game down the pan for Korean gold) ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1249 "2019-11-27T21:51:49Z")
Stop whining and come on Sisi and watch the hilarity in local ---
**Author:** ![Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boom_boom_longtime/32/503592_2.png) [@Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boom_Boom_Longtime)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1250 "2019-11-27T22:55:16Z")
Marsha, I miss the good old days - this game was great, vibrant, so was the community. I’m genuinely sad at the state of affairs, but it is what it is - the rot that the game is in stems from Hilmar and Korean carrot and stick now - CCP under this guise turned their back on what made the ethos of the game for cheap coin - again, genuinely hope Hilmar and the shareholders are happy with the milk. Not whining, just being realistic of the current actuality. If I’m wrong, then tell me off. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1251 "2019-11-27T23:06:02Z")
CCP are bads. ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1252 "2019-11-27T23:07:39Z")
We’re better at it though. Being bad, I mean. Also, humour ---
**Author:** ![Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boom_boom_longtime/32/503592_2.png) [@Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boom_Boom_Longtime)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1253 "2019-11-27T23:19:49Z")
Alas, maybe you’re correct with this assessment - the good old days are gone however, that much is sure - Hilmar, theme park and Korean coin per se future - are you confident the good old days are ever going to return under the new ccp / Korean cash grab? ---
**Author:** ![Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boom_boom_longtime/32/503592_2.png) [@Boom\_Boom\_Longtime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boom_Boom_Longtime)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1254 "2019-11-27T23:37:35Z")
bed time for me - just hope the bed bugs don’t nip and bite - I don’t wish to be negative prior to slumber, but it would appear this game (Eve) is in a negative decline and it’s quite clear to ascertain where and how the catalyst of events and ccp cash spent has led to this point - dust, vampires et al - all eve player cash down the pan on failed projects last 4 years or so. If anybody wishes to tell me otherwise that CCP upper management haven’t pissed a lot of coin down the well on failed projects, then please do - but I think the picture is clear ---
**Author:** ![Marsha\_Mallow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marsha_mallow/32/276207_2.png) [@Marsha\_Mallow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marsha_Mallow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1255 "2019-11-27T23:59:51Z")
Ofc the game is indecline It’s revolting We can run a competition of ‘ohh god’ ‘cba’ ohh nooo’ And then pretend to be adults Dinna na fash yerself, or w/e - this is not on you ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1256 "2019-11-28T10:00:27Z")
I think CCP just solved this issue. By turning EVE from a spaceship game into an online casino you don’t need a thousand of players to run a business, just a couple hundred addicts and you are fine. ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056/1257 "2019-11-28T10:18:53Z")
test server had over 100 characters just testing their stuff, thats pretty damn good for a weekday during work hours in my opinion. its a solid number. the core is holding strong. OP disagree. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056.md?page=52) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-concurrent-average-online-under-20k-now/185056.md?page=54)