# Eve do not forget your new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 26, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033 "2019-05-26T14:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/143 "2019-05-29T10:06:02Z")
That is really not true. I never played WOW and the first time I saw someone using “keK” I simply searched on google, to find out what it means. This statement is just as dumb as saying: You can only recognize a cat, if you you ever owned one yourself!" ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/145 "2019-05-29T10:21:03Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > EVE should be more brutal to new players to weed out the weak so that only the strong can survive. We don’t need EVE to become safer. Eve was always about maintaining a fine balance between emerging and different populations of New Eden in order to have a functioning long-term game and economy. A streamlined, singleminded and instant Eve PvP Arena is not the way to go Im affraid, unless you want this game to properly implode. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/148 "2019-05-29T15:58:22Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > It’s an “idiot trap”. Only an ex-WoW player recognizes “kek”. ah here, leave it out. 🙂 so everyone else who has access to the internet can’t know what it is. that’s funny 🤣 knowing and using it are 2 different things and WOW players tend to use it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Merovee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merovee/32/167629_2.png) [@Merovee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merovee)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/149 "2019-05-29T23:21:53Z")
Don’t listen to anyone, buy a couple plexs from CCP with this grub stake you will be able to get a foot hold in the game. I started in 03 and worked my way up, but that took a long time, but so was every one else, I wouldn’t try to start that way now. You have to scrap your way up, that’s the fun part, don’t take risks if you don’t have to, and find a group to start with, the safety in herds shouldn’t be underestimated, EVE is full of wolves looking for strays and the sick, don’t be a victim. ---
**Author:** ![Spc\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spc_one/32/399501_2.png) [@Spc\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spc_One)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/150 "2019-05-30T23:12:17Z")
For new players, if new players can’t do level 4 missions to buy a new battleship or new skill, this is the biggest problem for new players. So it would be very nice if ccp removes ban on alpha state level 4 missions. So even new alpha state players can team up with fleet and do level 4 missions with battlecruisers and buy a battleship with isk they earn from level 4’s. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/151 "2019-05-30T23:32:18Z")
Is doing “level 4 missions to buy a new battleship or new skill” the only option you have? ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/152 "2019-05-31T02:00:18Z")
> [@xxxTRUSTxxx](#): > > ah here, leave it out. 🙂 so everyone else who has access to the internet can’t know what it is. > > that’s funny 🤣 > > knowing and using it are 2 different things and WOW players tend to use it 😉 TRUST It’s not clear to me what you’re trying to say, but I suspect you’ve managed self-parody. A hint: I didn’t write “/kek” in my earlier post as a way to obscure whether I or not I have ever played WoW. I doubt even one of your fellow _Amphiprioninae_ would do such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/153 "2019-05-31T05:09:04Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > It’s an “idiot trap”. Only an ex-WoW player recognizes “kek”. Not really. My 13yo daughter used it couple times and this made me know this word. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/154 "2019-05-31T05:43:34Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > It’s an “idiot trap”. Only an ex-WoW player recognizes “kek”. > > Not really. My 13yo daughter used it couple times and this made me know this word. /sigh. I didn’t expect to trap so many idiots. Though your name suggests you might have an excuse. Can I expect a visit from your friend the milliner? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/155 "2019-05-31T07:46:40Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > /sigh. You’re only fooling yourself thinking you’ve fooled anyone. > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Only an ex-WoW player recognizes “kek”. “Kek” is a meme. It’s a meme, because millions of WoW players spread it. It reached far beyond wow, including the rap scene, and is often wrongly attributed to the alt-right. Redditors also were all over it. That’s dozens of millions of people, which means you’re a clueless, ignorant asshole. Once again, as usual. At least learn to use google and put some effort into it. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/156 "2019-05-31T08:31:19Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > It’s not clear to me what you’re trying to say exactly 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/157 "2019-05-31T08:57:43Z")
I’d like to point out that the OP does not have a single kill … … ZERO … … with 41 losses. > **[JunjoMX BlackStars | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2115033254/)** > > JunjoMX BlackStars: 0 ships destroyed and 41 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/158 "2019-05-31T08:57:43Z")
> [@Spc\_One](#): > > For new players, if new players can’t do level 4 missions to buy a new battleship or new skill, this is the biggest problem for new players. Another player hitting a wall because he’s following elena’s idea of grind first, fun later. > [@Spc\_One](#): > > So even new alpha state players can team up with fleet and do level 4 missions with battlecruisers and buy a battleship with isk they earn from level 4’s. Team up with an omega then. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/159 "2019-05-31T08:58:07Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Anyway, the most fun _I_ had in EVE was to figure out how to sustain myself. It may be different for you, but if EVE had given me all I needed for free and ISK was meaningless, I don’t think I would have kept playing. Same here. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/160 "2019-05-31T09:00:05Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Another player hitting a wall because he’s following elena’s idea of grind first, fun later. Please. It’s NOT Elena’s idea. It’s a carebear’s idea. It’s what _carebears_ have been poisoning new players with in rookie corps since probably ever. It’s also what CCP talks about when people drop out of the game after “levelling their ravens”. Elena is a carebear. It’s not her idea. Carebears do not understand how bad it is to spoil people, because carebears are spoiled, bubble wrapped brats themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/161 "2019-05-31T09:05:57Z")
> [@Brock\_Crendraven](#): > > And while I’m busy spitting out my teeth, there is literally nothing I can do to make it stop - nothing, Bolocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks. Thousands of players have shown this is utter 🎶 _beeep_ 🎶. It is loser talk. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/162 "2019-05-31T09:10:06Z")
You “fishboys” are confused as usual - this time you’re reversing cause and effect ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post\_hoc\_ergo\_propter\_hoc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc)) EVE’s new players are guided _ **away** _ from normal play (even normal EVE PvE play), into “pure PvE” activities by the few structured activities they’re exposed to, and the advice they receive. When they point out the natural consequences of this in the forum, they meet the “bittervet narrative”, which is all about victim blaming. Note that they’re not victims of ganking, even if it’s done by griefers. They are the victims of what’s possibly the worst new-player guidance in gaming. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/163 "2019-05-31T09:11:26Z")
> **[Brock Crendraven | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2115115660/)** > > Brock Crendraven: 0 ships destroyed and 11 ships lost. No kills, only losses. Even appears to have recycled his character once. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/164 "2019-05-31T09:11:51Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > When they point out the natural consequences of this in the forum, they meet the “bittervet narrative”, which is all about victim blaming. More bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033/165 "2019-05-31T09:13:30Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > When they point out the natural consequences of this in the forum, they meet the “bittervet narrative”, which is all about victim blaming. There are no victims outside of your imagination. Everyone is responsible for himself and hundreds of thousands of people before are proof that it works. I disagree with your victim creation paranoia. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-do-not-forget-your-new-players/162033.md?page=8)