# EVE echoes... What do you mean free to download? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 14, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285 "2020-08-14T08:35:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PI01\_Wanga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pi01_wanga/32/192508_2.png) [@PI01\_Wanga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PI01_Wanga)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/1 "2020-08-14T08:35:51Z")
Is this game free or not? Everyone knows downloading a game is free… what about playing it? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/2 "2020-08-14T09:01:13Z")
It’s got a similar monetization model as Eve does. I don’t really know the nuances, but there are alpha and omega clones. You pay to become Omega which unlocks things and have faster progress, but you can play for free as an alpha clone. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/3 "2020-08-14T14:42:17Z")
> [@PI01\_Wanga](#): > > Everyone knows downloading a game is free… what about playing it? You must be the only person alive that doesn’t know how mobile games work. It’s free to play in it’s most basic form. But if you want to move from place to place a little quicker you pay. What to collect resources a little more efficiently? You pay. Want to repair your ship in a reasonable amount of time? You pay. Want to shout in local? You pay. Want a Verizon skin? You pay. Want the game to play for you while you are mining memes? You pay. And so on until you discover your free game is costing you three times what a subscription does for the OG game. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/4 "2020-08-14T16:44:14Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/d/bd5fa60380a4423f153e66e2731aef390d1d01b7.gif "source: imgur.com")](https://imgur.com/YfBCuYb) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/5 "2020-08-14T16:47:55Z")
im free to download , i just don’t ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/6 "2020-08-14T18:27:40Z")
I wish we had that stuff in classic EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/7 "2020-08-14T20:18:35Z")
One of these days I really must get a smartphone… ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/8 "2020-08-14T20:35:46Z")
Smartphone? What’s that? My phone is screwed to the wall with a six foot cord attaching it to the handset. ![b122a93f37f22ccb46143ce8d8f2506f](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/c/dca756064db5485b81a643361b1ccfb6be28eb8b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/9 "2020-08-14T21:22:14Z")
i played , its beautiful , i uninstalled dont have a f 5k display to play on a tiny window ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/10 "2020-08-17T13:20:51Z")
It´s basically the same Alpha and Omega system like EvE has, with the difference that there are different tiers of Omega (why they haven´t named it differently I don´t know. Basically, With Alpha you can only use ships of the Tech Level 6 or below, which to the most parts would be T1, navy and Pirate equivalent in the Desktop Version, up to Cruisers. Also your PI is limited, you can´t trade directly with other players, and only use certain Trading station to make buy and sell orders (which are also limited) With Omega you get access to everything, and the different Tiers of Omega only decide how much faster you train your SP. Basic Omega for $5,- per Month gives you a 12,5% trainings boost Standart Omega for $13,- gives you a 62,5% trainings boost, And then you can have a combi for $16,- that would give you a 75% trainings boost Of course you can also buy your PLEX on the market, when you can affort it with ISK ---
**Author:** ![Dono\_Tashu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dono_tashu/32/181391_2.png) [@Dono\_Tashu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dono_Tashu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/11 "2020-08-17T14:04:58Z")
> [@Gosti\_Kahanid](#): > > It´s basically the same Alpha and Omega system like EvE has With one big difference. Alpha can only buy and sell at Trade systems. While Omega can on all stations. Buying items on the market is a pain as alpha in EVE Echoes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/12 "2020-08-17T14:19:32Z")
![28164321_1575525649193126_7553992044458336478_o](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/2/227f3d51f3952760d1d64229651bb5000a124d39.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Lorthien\_Charov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lorthien_charov/32/198448_2.png) [@Lorthien\_Charov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lorthien_Charov)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/13 "2020-08-17T14:26:20Z")
I have tried it out a little over the past couple of days. 7 I kept getting constant disconnects. It was only a frigate, but it was still the only ship I had other than the noob ship, that I lost when a disconnect happened in an anomoly. The disconnects are like every 40 seconds, and loading assets, the market, skills, etc. all required many attempts. It’s a neat concept, but the connection in midwest USA was atrocious. ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/14 "2020-08-18T13:25:26Z")
to be honest, most people sell their stuff in Jita 4-4 anyway, which is a trading station, and that is also something I did mention? ---
**Author:** ![Dono\_Tashu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dono_tashu/32/181391_2.png) [@Dono\_Tashu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dono_Tashu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/15 "2020-08-18T13:46:39Z")
It is not only the selling. When you want to buy something as an Alpha, you can do this only at trading station. Even if there are other offers. When someone is selling items for half the price at any non trading center, an alpha cannot buy it. I find this reduction of the buying/selling really extreme. it would be ok, if it is the same for everyone. But an Alpha, who want to buy something, has to try it on each offer, untill he find one that is sold on a trading center. This part is a bit annoying. But there is also one part that reminds me on something they wanted to do in EVE (many, many years ago). The Interbus items exchange. Or delivery service. When you buy something, even when it is 50 jumps away, you can pay Interbus to deliver it to your (or so i understand it) station. I know that they wanted to do this as well in EVE, but never did. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cygnus_carta/32/217843_2.png) [@Cygnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cygnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/16 "2020-08-18T14:19:11Z")
Why would I play EVE… but not play EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Gosti\_Kahanid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosti_kahanid/32/359905_2.png) [@Gosti\_Kahanid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosti_Kahanid)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/17 "2020-08-19T14:46:15Z")
EvE Echoes is basically EvE with a new start, that´s what makes it interesting for me. And I can play it between work, going back to real EvE when I´m at home^^ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/18 "2020-08-19T15:28:26Z")
> [@Gosti\_Kahanid](#): > > EvE Echoes is basically EvE with a new start, This suggests eve echoes is what eve 2.0 would have been which isn’t really the case. The things they are doing in eve echoes are typical for mobile gaming, not new games in general like combat is automated in echoes, no ammo and a totally different market mechanics. Eve echoes is ultra-casual mobile game with integrated pay-walls. > **[Eve Echoes review – space to grow](https://www.pockettactics.com/eve-echoes/review)** > > A fantastic sci-fi MMORPG that's secretly also an idle game ---
**Author:** ![Tauroqa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tauroqa/32/242613_2.png) [@Tauroqa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tauroqa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/19 "2020-08-19T17:01:26Z")
It’s potentially a very interesting thing, kinda, sorta, EvE II…only I’ve scarcely time for EvE I, nevermind a fully monetised waste of time on a smartphone that’s likely chasing after a very different demo. An EvE II on PC would actually be interesting, free from all the legacy rubbish that, and I’m being charitable here, stymies CCPs attempts to implement things that don’t end up being awful. It would be beyond CCPs ability to fund these days I’m sure, but perhaps they could license it out. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285/20 "2020-08-19T17:03:55Z")
> [@Tauroqa](#): > > An EvE II on PC would actually be interesting, free from all the legacy rubbish that, booooooooooo boooooooooooo [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-echoes-what-do-you-mean-free-to-download/260285.md?page=2)