# EvE Financial System **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 22, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225 "2023-11-22T16:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/21 "2023-11-22T23:02:07Z")
Okay so you were asking why there was no real government in the game ? Is that it ? ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/23 "2023-11-22T23:04:39Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Okay so you were asking why there was no real government in the game ? Is that it ? No but it doesn’t matter now. At this point, I’ll go for the Burger King meal. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/24 "2023-11-23T10:27:45Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > don’t want to play a game like that. I don’t want to contribute to someone’s wallet if I’m not getting anything in return but insults on my intelligence with gimmicks like _Taxes_ because developers can’t figure out how to deal with player agency. > I don’t think Sienna Massilia will exist for much longer. It was fun while it lasted. …taxes exist in eve to balance out the ISK being created from thin air. Basically, eve creates ISK from thin air through NPC bounties and missions. The problem with a system that creates isk but doesnt remove isk, is inflation. We need a system that permenantly removes isk from circulation. By the way, other games like world of warcraft do the same thing. Their auction house takes like 5% as tax too, to get rid of gold from the system. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/25 "2023-11-23T10:46:44Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > So if I do get that straight, I should never buy PLEX for isk because then I’m taxed three times, if not four. You get taxed twice. Once in real life, and once in-game. > [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > The _only_ isk I should have is isk I earned in game, isk coming from CCP and then going back to CCP through taxes. Not sure where this comes from. You get isk from CCP, then, if you choose, and ONLY if you choose to get items from the market, you get taxes a small percentage of your total cost to CCP. I can buy something from direct trading with another player, mine, and build something without having to pay CCP ANY taxes. > [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > Also, I’m taxed paying for Omega time because I’m essentially paying to play/get isk that will either go up in smoke when I lose a ship or taxed/confiscated Again, you can play the game your entire life without paying taxes to CCP. So no, you are wrong. But what you, and everyone eventually realizes, is that the taxes are a really small fraction of the total amount that uou end up using. 5% of 100 doesnt mean i will lose the entire 100. I only lose 5. With that 95, i can use it to grow into 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 10 billion. Then 5% of 10 billion is much much more than the initial 95 that i was left with. Whats wrong with that? > [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > because we can’t have too much value items/isk in the game. Even world of warcraft understands this as essential game design. The problem with printing isk but not removing isk is evident. What is your problem with this basic tenet of game design? > [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > essence, Omega is paying for the privilege to lose isk… or lose period. Only if you suck at the game. But that is true for almost any game that you pay for. I pay for omega and my net worth and isk only goes up. Been playing for 10 years now, and ive made close to a trillion isk, without buying plex. If you suck, then you could play for 10 years, spend $10,000 on plex, buy blingy ships, go afk in lowsec and lose it all. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/26 "2023-11-23T10:48:06Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > At this point, I’ll go for the Burger King meal. Yeah if you cant afford 20.00 a month because you need to buy food, you probably shouldnt be playing this game. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/27 "2023-11-23T11:02:36Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > and build something without having to pay CCP ANY taxes. job installation tax ? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/28 "2023-11-23T11:07:11Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > job installation tax You got me there. But i guess i coupd just direct trade with everyone for everything and not pay taxes, so meh. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/29 "2023-11-23T11:20:35Z")
**CCP** got you there. Taxman is the real monster. Lurking in the shadow, waiting for you to make anything productive… YOUGOTTAPAY ! ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/30 "2023-11-23T11:23:39Z")
Closed by request of the Op. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-financial-system/429225/31 "2023-11-23T11:23:41Z")
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