# EVE is an easy 7/10 on Josh Strife Hayes' Pay2Win scale **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 24, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032 "2024-03-24T13:24:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 32
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032/32 "2024-03-24T22:48:39Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Sorry but ad hominems won’t win this debate for you. I’m a long time gamer, been gaming since before most gamers were born. I’m mostly F2P I’m not trying to insult you. But I find it rather funny that you actually feel insulted when I say you are a pay2win enjoyer and then immediately defend yourself as “mostly F2P”. Why did you just do that? Because I thought there is nothing wrong with this game mechanics, so why do you feel attacked if I imply that you enjoy and use them. Clearly you defend their existence, so it’s not a stretch to assume you also use them. So how is that an insult? > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Basically, the majority of the things you disapprove of are half the reason CCP is still financially viable. I grant that it is absolutely possible that this is the case. I’m still very skeptical about it. EVE is their cash cow that finances the whole company and not just EVE development and maintenance. Because there was clearly a time where there was more development done on the game previous to even the cash shop. And there where more players in the game, which means higher server costs. I think it is rather more likely that they grew the company and the costs are in other areas that are not EVE and don’t produce any revenue on their own, rather than EVE suddenly getting so much more expensive to run. I don’t have anything to prove this, I can’t really argue that point, It’s just my current opinion I’m absolutely willing to change. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Basically, the majority of the things you disapprove of are half the reason CCP is still financially viable. That’s not pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking like you’re doing I’m don’t really care about CCP’s financial situation, that is honestly their problem. I simply voice my opinion as a player about the state of the game. I have voiced my opinion at every point where more monetization got introduced and I saw for the last 17 years how the frog was boiled. I find the game today rather unrecognizable. But it is as it is, and I can have the opinion that this is bad and it could be better otherwise at the same time to not expecting it to ever happen. My only hope by pointing out that we are already at a 7/10 on the P2W scale is to hopefully finally stop this from progressing any further and make it even worse. But since I fight this for over a decade without success, I don’t have much hope left honestly. Still, it’s a good game and worth trying. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > And as stated, EVE has much bigger more fundamental problems to resolve than some pay for advantage perks. Why should they work in them if adding new monetization vectors makes them more money? Clearly this angle was financially rewarded over the last decade and completely defended by the player base. I would argue the Pay2Win mechanics are exactly the reason why the game is in the state it is in. There is simply no incentive for CCP to change anything in that regard > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > I’ve pointed out that the current system allows new players to exchange their play time for any of the things they need to catch up (PLEX, injectors or whatever), and you twist that into “only the rich kids are allowed to catch up”. Yeah because it’s completely unrealistic to grind and catch up, which you know if you played EVE for that long. The expectation is that they pay for it, which is probably turning away new players on a daily basis, as soon as they discover this. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > When it comes to intellectual dishonesty, you’re a very black kettle to be dissing the pot over there. In what sense am I intellectually dishonest. Maybe I’m a little retarded at times, but that’s not on purpose 😉 --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032)._