# EVE is an easy 7/10 on Josh Strife Hayes' Pay2Win scale

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**Created:** [March 24, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032 "2024-03-24T13:24:36Z")\
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**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032/49 "2024-03-25T10:49:18Z")

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> [@Karak\_Terrel](#):
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> You see, just a while ago people said that ANY item that gives advantage that is exclusively available for cash is P2W for them and unacceptable. But then CCP added implants that can not be traded to packages that are only available for RL money that give damage bonuses you don’t get otherwise in the game. So now it’s obviously “overwhelming” advantage that is required to get the P2W mark of shame, because that previous line was crossed and the game doesn’t “feel” P2W to you right?

I remember, that line was unacceptable for me and caused me to take a break from EVE.

By the way, I think those items were withdrawn after the uproar?

_Edit - it was indeed withdrawn: [Foundation Day Pack Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-day-pack-update/414663)_

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