# EVE is an easy 7/10 on Josh Strife Hayes' Pay2Win scale **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 24, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032 "2024-03-24T13:24:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 60
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032/60 "2024-03-25T14:05:57Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Inject sp and lose the real training, the real opportunity to get insight, knowledge and experience, the chance to become a better pilot. That’s the reality in this game. Incorrect. You’re trying to create a false binary here, that you can pay for convenience/progress/save time, **OR** you can learn how to play the game better, but not both. This is simply not the case. There’s nothing magical about plex or skill injectors that removes the ability to learn by experience. And there’s nothing magical about having skill queues that take months and years of sub time to complete that teaches you how to play better. A player can buy Plex, convert it to ISK, and use that ISK to buy 50 frigates and learn how to PvP. Without needing to waste time on PvE ISK grind. And conversely, another player can pay nothing, grind PvE mining for months for ISK, and learn nothing about the overall game. Or simply buy 3 months of sub, set up his training queue, then log off and go play a more interesting game while he waits for his skill queue to complete. Possibly never to return. Gaining gameplay experience/skills is a completely separate issue from paying for convenience/progress/time savings. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > That all important _illusion_ of ever catching up with someone Selling you illusions is literally the business of online games. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-an-easy-7-10-on-josh-strife-hayes-pay2win-scale/444032)._