# EVE is brutal for a returning player. I can't imagine the difficulty for new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 13, 2026, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170 "2026-09-13T04:05:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/41 "2026-09-14T20:46:39Z")
> [@hyprviper1](#): > > wait how do you get the CSM tag next to your name on the fourms? Win 4 times and then suddenly become the perma forum CSM no matter how long it’s been since you last served. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/42 "2026-09-14T21:22:39Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Only if you can say Eyjafjallajökull correctly. I can do that. But I can imagine how native English speakers will have problems with it. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/43 "2026-09-14T22:47:49Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > But I can imagine how native English speakers will have problems with it. Native English speakers have problems with English. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/44 "2026-09-15T20:02:57Z")
> [@hyprviper1](#): > > how do you get the CSM tag next to your name on the fourms? :psycsm: Post the above emoji 100 times (but only one per post and one per thread) and you’ll unlock the CSM tag, then you can apply it in your profile settings. 🤔 😉 😏 :ccpguard: ---
**Author:** ![Banana\_Annana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/banana_annana/32/511213_2.png) [@Banana\_Annana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Banana_Annana)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/45 "2026-09-16T08:14:57Z")
I think the issue is that the state of the game drives out most casuals while the remaining player base gets more and more boiled down to the most hardcore ‘professional’ players making the game increasingly hard to enjoy as a hobby. (I know this opinion will get flak for just not having a hardcore enough mindset for eve, but that’s kinda the point) The actual amount of players (not accounts ofc due to the insane multi boxing situation) will keep shrinking as long as this elitist ‘just get good’ mindset exists, ironically also hurting those elitist players in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/46 "2026-09-16T10:02:25Z")
> [@Banana\_Annana](#): > > I know this opinion will get flak for just not having a hardcore enough mindset for eve I’d rather give flak for the notion that there is anything hardcore about EVE. Basic PvP, for example, really isn’t difficult at all. Even I can do it. Admittedly it requires a few skills to be able to snipe effectively, but once you have those…getting kills is as easy as the proverbial falling off a log. Likewise, big fleet battles are easy. You either shoot stuff or get shot. It requires a few skills to keep up with the fleet and not trail behind…as its the stragglers who are the cannon fodder, and a few skills to shoot above average levels of enemy ships, but there’s nothing mind bogglingly hard about it or requiring hardcore dedication. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/47 "2026-09-16T11:16:10Z")
> [@Banana\_Annana](#): > > the state of the game drives out casuals What state is this? You can’t make such a generic comment and expect to be taken seriously. What is it which drives out casuals? ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2026, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/48 "2026-09-18T01:42:06Z")
> [@Banana\_Annana](#): > > elitist ‘just get good’ mindset I really dont know why this even bothers anybody. These traits are in every mmo out there. They all have these group of people. Dont let them dig at you. Yea, its tough. I sometimes shoot my mouth off at them at times…but they will never run me out of any game i enjoy playing…period. Theres nothing that anybody can do about it. Live with them, live without them…doesnt matter. Theyll be in the next game you play as well. Adapt or cower. ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2026, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-brutal-for-a-returning-player-i-cant-imagine-the-difficulty-for-new-players/518170/49 "2026-09-19T08:29:46Z")
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