# EVE Is Dangerous. Yeah Right **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 27, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190 "2018-10-27T06:01:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/689 "2018-11-17T21:43:33Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > the problem here (i know that wasn’T meant for me) is that you are quoting past statements of CCP that were made years ago and have nothing to do with the current situation… The problem is you’re assuming a new situation without any info from the powers that be. If you believe things have changed, that’s your prerogative. But your belief does not make it so. If tomorrow ccp came out and said we’re changing things and now hi-sec is meant to be safe. Now concord are meant to protect. You’d have no argument from me on their stance. (notice how i don’t demand proof for things that cannot be proven except by statement from ccp) > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Having PVE a safe spot from PVP(in high) in the same way has PVP has a spot to shoot everywhere(as everywhere else beside high) is what i call equality… See how that is incompatible with my desires for this game? That’s not inequality in my perspective. It’s purely mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/690 "2018-11-17T21:43:37Z")
> [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](#): > > Again you and “facts”, first you show YOUR facts and then ask other for their facts. > Why would I ? I’m asking is why. Failure to provide shall result in being treated like Balos; a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/691 "2018-11-17T21:44:16Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > nothing to do with the current situation Oh you mean the MASSIVE retention issue that we’re not having? The one you plan to solve by dumbing down more and making the game less engaging? K. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/692 "2018-11-17T21:47:52Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > See how that is incompatible with my desires for this game? > > That’s not inequality in my perspective. It’s purely mutually exclusive. Yes you beeing part of an inequalitive part of the community have to give up something to realize the equality… What about this is too hard for you to understand? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-vexor01_lsg/32/106581_2.png) [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-vexor01_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/693 "2018-11-17T21:47:59Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The problem is you’re assuming a new situation without any info from the powers that be While you are waiting for your information and proofs, whole your life and all the chances will go away … ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/694 "2018-11-17T21:50:13Z")
Then you don’t understand at all. It’s not an inequality issue. It’s not like pve players are 2nd class citizens (i am a miner and industrialist). It’s just that your desires cannot work at the same time as mine (or ccp’s last known words on the issue). ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/695 "2018-11-17T21:52:12Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Then you don’t understand at all. > > It’s not an inequality issue. It’s not like pve players are 2nd class citizens (i am a miner and industrialist). It’s just that your desires cannot work at the same time as mine (or ccp’s last known words on the issue). Yes they can because you can also mine and be an industrialist in low even without PVP in high… You’ve proven yourself wrong by quoting that. ---
**Author:** ![zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-vexor01_lsg/32/106581_2.png) [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-vexor01_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/696 "2018-11-17T21:52:28Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’m asking is why. Failure to provide shall result in being treated like Balos; a fool. Someone on internet think something about me, threat me like fool … Why would I care about that, I have RL and important people know who and what I am. Here in my spare time I am trying to tell you something, and don’t care how you wil receive it. I have offered you a certain values and informations but I will not bother myself to make you take it. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/697 "2018-11-17T21:52:55Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > YEP… > > PVE is surely spoiled in this game… you’re talking about players not the game and my response was directed at a player, you! and not the game. you want a safe place to give you the ability to interact with the market without ever being attacked by those who you might be hurting with that interaction. Example: player A (you) gathers, builds, sells, makes a profilt, never has to worry about PVP. player B buys your shite and uses it to attack people with, player B’s people learn it’s you who builds for them, they can do nothing to stop the enemies supply chain and you have now had a severe impact on the PVP element of the game when it comes to this group you are trading with. how in the name of sweet jumping jesus can you not see a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/698 "2018-11-17T21:56:17Z")
> [@xxxTRUSTxxx](#): > > you’re talking about players not the game and my response was directed at a player, you! and not the game. > > you want a safe place to give you the ability to interact with the market without ever being attacked by those who you might be hurting with that interaction. > > Example: > > player A (you) gathers, builds, sells, makes a profilt, never has to worry about PVP. > > player B buys your shite and uses it to attack people with, player B’s people learn it’s you who builds for them, they can do nothing to stop the enemies supply chain and you have now had a severe impact on the PVP element of the game when it comes to this group you are trading with. > > how in the name of sweet jumping jesus can you not see a problem with that? Is this how you want to play it? Ripping quotes out of the meaning and posting them? We both can play this game… ---
**Author:** ![zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-vexor01_lsg/32/106581_2.png) [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-vexor01_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/699 "2018-11-17T21:56:20Z")
> [@xxxTRUSTxxx](#): > > how in the name of sweet jumping jesus can you not see a problem with that? That is only **convention** , and during my lifetime I saw too many conventions changed, literally, over the night. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/700 "2018-11-17T21:57:11Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Is this how you want to play it? > > Ripping quotes out of the meaning and posting them? > > We both can play this game… stop avoiding the feckin queation, , answer it. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > player A (you) gathers, builds, sells, makes a profilt, never has to worry about PVP. > > player B buys your shite and uses it to attack people with, player B’s people learn it’s you who builds for them, they can do nothing to stop the enemies supply chain and you have now had a severe impact on the PVP element of the game when it comes to this group you are trading with. > > how in the name of sweet jumping jesus can you not see a problem with that? answer please ? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/701 "2018-11-17T21:58:26Z")
No you misunderstand. My desire isn’t for me to mine, or for me to be huntable. It’s that all players be exposed to the sandbox and pvp at all times no matter where they are. That’s how the market works. And it’s just more fun that way, ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/702 "2018-11-17T21:59:53Z")
> [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](#): > > Someone on internet think something about me, threat me like fool Because you are what you portray. If you want to be spoken to constructively, then be constructive, not entitled, ill informed and smug. You literally have nothing to be smug about, irrespective of how you feel the new ‘owners’ will act. Your understanding of economics and business despite protestations to the contrary leaves much to be desired. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/703 "2018-11-17T22:03:24Z")
> [@xxxTRUSTxxx](#): > > answer please ? In which way is this another situation then a pure PVE’er constantly killed in high by a group of gankers? Also there is nothing the PVE’er can do about it beside deleting his account…in which way is the current situation BETTER beside the fact it benefits PVP? Your example is just not valid if a situation like in my example is possible at the current status…no real change beside PVE would be safe and PVP still could happen… And to answer the “question”… i really cannot see a problem as long as is a free market sell you have no right to “punish” the supplier of your enemy… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/704 "2018-11-17T22:03:31Z")
He wants the reward without the risk. In my eyes that’s a view totally incompatible with a game based on risk vs reward; he’s playing the wrong game. To me a reward without risk is no reward at all, it’s a worthless achievement. ---
**Author:** ![zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-vexor01_lsg/32/106581_2.png) [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-vexor01_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/705 "2018-11-17T22:05:06Z")
What I am, what are you, it won’t be defined by my or your words or writes, it will be determined by our deeds IRL not on the void net. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/706 "2018-11-17T22:05:17Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > He wants the reward without the risk. In my eyes that’s a view totally incompatible with a game based on risk vs reward; he’s playing the wrong game. > > To me a reward without risk is no reward at all, it’s a worthless achievement. The rewards in low and 0.0 are significantlyy higher… Would you please bring valid arguments? And it is in no way relevant how you feel about rewards… That may be your playstyle but not a global one… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/707 "2018-11-17T22:06:22Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > In which way is this another situation then a pure PVE’er constantly killed in high by a group of gankers? If this is your problem, you’re doing it wrong. Gankers are easy to avoid, so are mission invaders and wardecs. They’ll even tell you how to do it if you ask nicely. > Also there is nothing the PVE’er can do about it beside deleting his account…in which way is the current situation BETTER beside the fact it benefits PVP? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/7/e775f8ca3af58e2498d360a5588dc72d07660c63.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190/708 "2018-11-17T22:06:35Z")
Is the crux of it. Even if ccp want to make things safer to attract more peeps. It’s never going to the point of having areas of total safety. The market would be trash. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-dangerous-yeah-right/116190.md?page=36)