# Eve is Multiboxing 2 win - a new player experience **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368 "2023-09-12T14:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cenere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cenere/32/386993_2.png) [@Cenere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cenere)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/21 "2023-09-12T15:35:38Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > In what way is stating the true fact that you have never actually _been_ multiboxed a personal attack ? Why are you riling about an issue that you have personally never encountered ? Forgive me but you’re off topic. In the main thread it wasn’t written that I had been attacked by multiboxers or anything else, if you don’t like talking about the thread open another one and write that yesterday I was attacked by a player who sunk me. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/22 "2023-09-12T15:36:15Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > If you can’t accept that ccp is greedy and makes money on players who already pay a subscription is another thing. Yeah, CCP is greedy and makes as much money on players as they can. So what? They are a business company, not the charity. They don’t make more money than like 10 bucks/month out of me. Perfectly acceptable for the product they deliver. ---
**Author:** ![Cenere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cenere/32/386993_2.png) [@Cenere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cenere)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/23 "2023-09-12T15:37:16Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Perfectly acceptable for the product they deliver. 50-60 euros monthly for a multiboxer player? Not acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/24 "2023-09-12T15:37:54Z")
I have eight accts logged in right now. Does that make you angry? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/25 "2023-09-12T15:41:28Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > Forgive me but you’re off topic OK here’s my ‘on topic’ response… I don’t care. Multiboxing is part of Eve. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Cenere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cenere/32/386993_2.png) [@Cenere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cenere)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/26 "2023-09-12T15:42:07Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I don’t care. if you don’t care of fairness about the title you spend time and money monthly is not my business. Have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/27 "2023-09-12T15:44:32Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > 50-60 euros monthly for a multiboxer player? Not acceptable. Nobody forces anyone to pay that. I have 2 permanent Omega Accounts and one partially over the year for some special projects, everything for ~10€ per month on average. There are always special offers, there are always long-term discounts, and there is enough PLEX on the market to get some free months in between. If you have problems letting other people who see EVE as their hobby and invest hundreds or thousands of Euro for PLEX pay for your accounts, that is entirely your problem. If you really pay 60€ per months for 3 accounts, the real problem is in front of your computer. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/28 "2023-09-12T15:46:40Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > fairness What’s ‘unfair’ about me paying a whole nother £37.50 a month just to be able to log in twice ? It’s not like I’m getting it free or something. Its something I pay for…there isn’t even any discount. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/29 "2023-09-12T15:58:30Z")
You can absolutely be successful as a pilot who doesnt multibox. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/30 "2023-09-12T18:00:01Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > As I have already written, I came into contact with multiboxing by speaking with users of various corporations and from forum/web sources, noticing that the percentage of players who practice multiboxing is very high. That’s the problem, you can’t realistically judge about something you have no experience with. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/31 "2023-09-12T18:37:21Z")
I dont get it. CCP made multiboxing mandatory for gankers and all the bears were happy about it. What is going on now? ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/32 "2023-09-12T18:59:29Z")
There is no winning. Only varying degrees of losing. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/33 "2023-09-12T19:09:38Z")
Multiboxing is a BLESSING and a CURSE. **Blessing** - Blessing as CCP gains extra $$$ - Players are more productive. - Redundant/boring tasks can be multiboxed. (Like scouting, hauling, etc) **Curse** - Single account players lose a sense of comradery in an MMO. - Less meaningful player interaction. (A corp of 2 people and 20 alts is not really that great 😅) - People just start feeling demoralized as they may just feel that they are replaceable by a alt. **TBH the benefits outweigh the curse atm but I believe we are shifting more and more to multiboxing. Idk why. Just a gut feeling I have. But I am VERY biased on this topic so take what I say with some salt.** _Social status = number of alts you own/maintain?_ ---
**Author:** ![Tikka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tikka/32/508952_2.png) [@Tikka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tikka)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/34 "2023-09-12T19:37:44Z")
That’s a good one. I am pretty sure I can judge an action without doing it myself. We all know that certain things are wrong even without committing them 🙂 I have no fundamental opinion about having or not having multiple accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/35 "2023-09-12T19:58:41Z")
Perhaps too many gaming styles in EVE depend on the use of various toons? IDK… maybe all gaming styles in EVE require multiple toons. Looking at this game as a soloable endeavor is too narrow of scope. And also, you’d like to “win” -whatever that means-? No. In EVE you can do most things as single toon, but in no scenario you’d be better without a (or multiple) wingman… it is your social skills which dictate who pilots such toons. But hey!.. no worries, you can always multibox! If what you want is to be rich (and alone), you can also buy Plex, or whatever they sell for real money that you can trade in game… -_which is not RMT in any aspect_… or multibox. If you want to “play for free”, never consider grinding as a bad thing as if grinding was not within the exercise of -playing- by itself. You just need more time… and multibox. > [@Cenere](#): > > - only some types of content with zero disadvantages > - some content with zero disadvantage only if accompanied with other players compared to those who, by multiboxing, can access it alone. Look, it’s a challenging game… but don’t get me wrong… here’s an exercise… Imagine for a moment that what you think should be, suddenly comes to be. And no one would need to be > [@Cenere](#): > > accompanied with other players or toons in general… wether they’re multibox or not. See if it ends up being MMORPG-ish, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/36 "2023-09-12T20:35:45Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Perhaps too many gaming styles in EVE depend on the use of various toons? > > IDK… maybe all gaming styles in EVE require multiple toons. Yes and it is a social component as EVE is inherently a business-oriented game. **Why share profits with multiple REAL people when I can multibox 10 accounts and keep ALL the profits for myself?** ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/37 "2023-09-12T20:54:32Z")
> [@Tikka](#): > > I am pretty sure I can judge an action without doing it myself. We all know that certain things are wrong even without committing them 🙂 So you say a game you never played is bad, because prejudice based on hearsay? This is what the OP does, without even considering that things may be looking different from inside. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/38 "2023-09-12T20:56:34Z")
If you only play for fun then Pay2Win or Multiboxing shouldn’t be a problem. If you play without the idea of getting isk-rich or controlling a whole constellation then they shouldn’t be a problem. It only becomes a problem when one takes a game for more than a game, when one has to feel like he’s getting ahead, is superior or winning. But winning what exactly? They never say. It’s all too mysterious. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/39 "2023-09-12T21:33:10Z")
Multiboxers have a clear and distinct advantage over solo players. Especially those that multibox omega accounts. That clearly makes EvE pay2win. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/40 "2023-09-12T21:43:06Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Less meaningful player interaction. (A corp of 2 people and 20 alts is not really that great But things are not either/or options in Eve. In fact that is the true beauty of multiple accounts. I have chars in one of the big corporations _and_ I have chars in my own little private corp. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368.md?page=3)