# Eve is Multiboxing 2 win - a new player experience **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368 "2023-09-12T14:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/81 "2023-09-13T13:34:01Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Eve is a game where you don’t _have_ to be a specific character doing specific stuff in a specific corp That’s right. You can multibox and be a whole gang of yourselves. Who is the “main” in that scenario? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You can live any number of completely different Eve lives At the very least, with one account, you can live three EVE’s lives. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You can even be in corp A _and_ corp B that are both at war with each other. Or be a miner in one Eve life and someone who ganks miners in another I guess having a “main” isn’t a game requirement, it simply facilitates identification. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/82 "2023-09-13T13:54:49Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > it simply facilitates identification But the very nature of politics and skullduggery in Eve is such that one might not always _want_ to be identified. That’s the true beauty of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/83 "2023-09-13T15:00:23Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But the very nature of politics and skullduggery in Eve is such that one might not always _want_ to be identified. That’s the true beauty of the game It’s one of the beauties of the game indeed. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/84 "2023-09-13T17:41:41Z")
> [@Cenere](#): > > enjoy your spoiled game Sounds like the game is spoiled for you. It’s nice and fresh for her. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/85 "2023-09-13T18:30:05Z")
I’m going to start multi-boxing, so I can win. But can someone tell me what the win condition actually is? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/86 "2023-09-13T18:42:53Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/8/3/78326b1e8d7334718abf74d7b3b6fe9ec83c32bb.jpeg "WarGames - "The Only Winning Move"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU) ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/87 "2023-09-13T18:43:05Z")
Multiboxing allows us to fight above our means We typically have 5 people in fleet but have 15+ toons in fleet… Allows us to fight bigger gangs. Multiboxing. A Scout. Boosher and maybe a couple DPS ships takes skill… I would not call it a win button. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/88 "2023-09-13T18:44:59Z")
You can eradicate astroids (X) times faster than a solo box, where X equals the amount of accounts logged in and active at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/89 "2023-09-13T19:51:21Z")
> [@Azazod](#): > > I’m going to start multi-boxing, so I can win. But can someone tell me what the win condition actually is? An invite to the Joe Rogan show to talk about how you took over the entire universe. ---
**Author:** ![Mii\_Lady](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mii_lady/32/380260_2.png) [@Mii\_Lady](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mii_Lady)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/90 "2023-09-13T23:49:59Z")
Yes but what ya gonna do about it? The truth is yes its the model. Is it a bit ■■■■ - yes. Truth is if you don’t like it quit. This is the same hard truth as the one CCP has to accept when some one says im never playing EVE with that being the case. I know A lot, and i mean a lot of people who quit EVE because it is too much and that account requirements to be effective are a big big part of that. And tbh I and many others are often on the fence about it. Its just one of the realities of life. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/91 "2023-09-14T03:06:21Z")
@OP Yes, it is pay-to-win. But to be frank it’s not going to change. CCP has made that pretty clear. You’ll have to make up your mind if you can just deal with it or not. Personally I’ll never multibox, because I’d rather group up with other people to tackle …if you’ll excuse the pun… something I couldn’t solo, but I came to terms with it being a part of Eve years ago. And I get that it chafes. Gaming should be about skill and working together, not just throwing more money to get an edge. That’s why p2w has such a bad name in gaming in general. But, as I said, it’s not going to change. You can still have fun in the game running only one character at a time. You’re not going to win over people who are entrenched in their opinion because they’ve come to accept the situation. Including myself, I just happen to agree with this point already but still have fun anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/92 "2023-09-14T03:47:05Z")
A d what exactly do you win? Cant be p2w without a ■■■■■■■ win condition. And there is nothing to “win” except to log off cause you cant handle how the game is ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/93 "2023-09-14T04:01:22Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > A d what exactly do you win? ![istockphoto-1252391957-612x612](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/0/1/c01d93aba5055aba8186bef3cef8351f9aae29ce.jpeg) Long John Silver’s map to Cortez treasure. ![istockphoto-1227006962-170667a](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/1/2/11223a77a35435a7f87bf46ac2df426246ed48a7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/94 "2023-09-14T05:20:36Z")
Pay-to-Win is not, and never has been, used to refer to literally paying to win. It’s used to refer to games that allow you to pay for an advantage that others don’t get by paying the same amount. If you’re multiboxing multiple paid accounts then you’re paying to have an advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/95 "2023-09-14T05:23:49Z")
I and many others disagree. And im a single account player. Multiboxed accounts are achievable without paying Real money to ccp ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/96 "2023-09-14T05:26:15Z")
Whether or not you agree because some people can do it without money doesn’t mean paying for multiple accounts isn’t paying for an advantage. That person who is earning their omega through work is putting far more time and effort into achieving what someone who is dropping tons of money into the game is. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/97 "2023-09-14T05:28:24Z")
Advantage over what? Mining more? Blowing up more ships? Gate camps? Why are you upset over multiboxers? Because you can’t/wont? ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/98 "2023-09-14T05:33:48Z")
Nice gaslighting mate. I never said I was upset. I literally said I came to terms with it ages ago and told the OP they could have fun without doing it. I’m fine with it. I think it’s a bit sucky that it’s an option, but it doesn’t ruin my experience. That doesn’t take away from the fact that someone can literally come onto the game and drop a ton of money to be better than another player. Whether buying skill points directly from the store, or paying for a gabillion accounts. A millionaire could be better at this game than I ever will be, purely by the virtue of spending more money if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/99 "2023-09-14T06:20:45Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > That doesn’t take away from the fact that someone can literally come onto the game and drop a ton of money to be better than another player. Whether buying skill points directly from the store, or paying for a gabillion accounts. This implies that EVE requires no player skill or knowledge, just skillpoints and ships. I can assure you, this is not the case. Game knowledge and manual piloting skills are probably more important than skillpoints. Yes, skillpoints give advantage when all other things are equal. Player skill, understanding how tracking works, knowing which ships are capable of what nasty surprise can net you far more success in pvp than some extra skillpoints. That knowledge can’t be bought, it must be earned. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/100 "2023-09-14T06:55:02Z")
I never implied that at all. You may have inferred that, but I am not implying that skill means nothing in any way, shape or form. But the fact of the matter is that money and skill points do make a difference in this game. If I could clone myself and my clone won the lottery, then brought the same ship as me to a fight but multiboxes with 3 of them and finished up some of my skills, I’d kick my own ass. Purely by spending more money. Edited that fairly heavily because it’s silly o’clock and I need to sleep. Sorry about that. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368.md?page=6)