# Eve is Multiboxing 2 win - a new player experience **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368 "2023-09-12T14:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/121 "2023-09-15T04:11:15Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I really don’t see the point in multiboxing. Sure, it can be helpful, but I have enough fun on one account. I think 2 would turn it into a chore. I’m of the same opinion. I also prefer grouping up, it’s a more fun experience. Although I’m of the opinion that money can be used to give an advantage in the game, what we’re talking about most of the time is a very minor advantage when outside of PvP. Within PvP it definitely can, but that’s also fringe cases when it’s taken to the extreme and it doesn’t bother me, which is why my first post was to tell the OP that even though it is in the game, it doesn’t mean you can’t have fun without doing it. I also think that a lot of what the OP says is down to inexperience and not really grasping what Eve is about. I suspect they don’t know about things like instant docking/undocking, warp cloaking, D-scan, etc, or have the ability to know when they’re in a dangerous situation / making themselves a target. I don’t even think that there’s a high proportion of gankers that are straight up jerks. They enjoy a gameplay style that’s more disruptive to other peoples gaming, but we’re on a PvP game here. If you don’t like the thrill of danger, you’re probably in the wrong game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/122 "2023-09-15T07:14:26Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > I’m not playing this game. So go away already? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/123 "2023-09-15T11:48:23Z")
Yeah, it’s just blatantly pay2win and it’s just one of many things about EVE that is this way. But as in every game, people get triggered by that term and will never admit that their beloved game is pay2win. They will find all sorts of excuses and invent new terms on the spot just to avoid confronting the reality. Also they try to sell many of this mechanics as “for the new player to catch up”, when in reality it’s to milk new player for the benefit of veteran players. I played 4 accounts for free for years, because I had the in-game resourced from playing for over a decade and could just PLEX those accounts. New players getting pressured into “catching up” with their credit card literally paid my 4 subs. That is just how EVE is, and we have to be honest about it, otherwise this will never change. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/124 "2023-09-15T11:58:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > So go away already? Quote me out of context much? ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/125 "2023-09-15T13:25:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > but its the usual thing on the forums where people complain about stuff they have never done and thus have zero experience of. In reality, even just operating a multibox scout is rather more awkward than if two separate people were doing it. Yesterday I was attacking a station in one account, whilst warping my scout to the next system in another. I don’t have two screens…so I have to watch one _or_ the other. It is the exact opposite. Nobody wants to just sit at a gate doing nothing but watching local and grid. Nobody wants to just scan haulers’ cargo and nobody wants to be just a cyno beacon that might not be even used in 3 hours. That is the main reason why players multibox. You specifically just don’t know how to multibox properly. Either use windowed mode and position the second client behind the first so you can see full screen on your main and overview + local at the right side of the screen. Of course this requires to have overview in a logical position not somewhere in middle as I see many players to have it. You can put local behind it with transparency. Alternatively you can use EVE-O which will show you all your clients in a scaleable overlay mini-windows which also lets you instantly switch to that account. If you need some examples let me know, I will gladly share some screenshots. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/126 "2023-09-15T17:16:10Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Either use windowed mode and position the second client behind the first so you can see full screen on your main and overview + local at the right side of the screen. Since I play on Linux, I’m blessed with a tiling window manager where you can just arange multiple clients per virtual desktop and switch between them instantly. At all times you can navigate directly to the client you want with a single key press. It’s hard to imagine how awesome that is compared to alt-tabbing between floating windows if one hasn’t experienced it. There are many different viable setups to multibox easily. Some people are just incapable of coming up with anything. ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/127 "2023-09-15T19:41:35Z")
As a counterpoint, though what you say is indeed very common, not everyone in EVE follows the path that CCP try and force players down. I have 1 character. I have played almost 10 years. I’m still happily in a NPC corp. It’s entirely up to you what you do of course but you do have the option of being so stubborn that you refuse to be pushed into anything that needs an alt or player group to achieve and still have the capacity to enjoy the game even after many many years. You don’t need alts. You don’t need to be in a player group. you don’t need anything CCP sell other than the subscription, and you don’t even need that. Solo characters are the bravest players you get in this game. Balls of steel as everything is out to get you. You don’t have to be a sheep and hide behind alts or a gang. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/128 "2023-09-16T05:19:36Z")
I pretty much agree with 99% of what you wrote. The only aspect I disagree with is the last part of this statement: > [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](#): > > you don’t need anything CCP sell other than the subscription, and you don’t even need that. In order to fully engage and play the game, you most definitely need to be subbed as Omega. Alpha status was not originally intended to be the baseline option for playing this game. It was originally meant to be a trial testing of the game leading to Omega subscription. Unfortunately CCP kept adding to it, eventually turning it into the current baseline option for playing this game. ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/129 "2023-09-16T11:43:02Z")
Indeed, but you can pay in plex from grinding right? ergo, you don’t _ **need** _ to sub. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/130 "2023-09-16T12:18:33Z")
True, but whether you’re using PLEX or RL money, it’s still being subbed… ---
**Author:** ![Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erebus_thechin_sundance/32/375165_2.png) [@Erebus\_TheChin\_Sundance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erebus_TheChin_Sundance)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/131 "2023-09-16T12:29:18Z")
Understood. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/132 "2023-09-18T10:56:27Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Alpha status was not originally intended to be the baseline option for playing this game. It was originally meant to be a trial testing of the game leading to Omega subscription. Unfortunately CCP kept adding to it, eventually turning it into the current baseline option for playing this game. And all those people who keep rattling on about how Eve is a ‘free game’ with some sort of unfair paid element don’t seem to grasp that CCP is not a charity and _someone_ ( i.e the people with Omega ) is paying for and thus _subsidising_ their ‘free’ account. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/133 "2023-09-18T13:02:15Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Nobody wants to just sit at a gate doing nothing but watching local and grid. That’s not true. When I do my low sec hunting, I sit in a SS, and watch local, and d-scan. Waiting patiently for my prey to show up. But then again, I can’t stand roaming, preferring to stay in one system. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/134 "2023-09-19T01:35:49Z")
Roaming around looking for targets sounds like fun ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/135 "2023-09-19T01:36:26Z")
It is for some. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/136 "2023-09-19T01:36:53Z")
Lowsec not highsec ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/137 "2023-09-19T01:38:10Z")
I know. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/138 "2023-09-19T01:47:08Z")
In the world of Azeroth I use to multi box so I could roleplay with myself. In New Eden I did the same thing though found that having more pilots makes a Capsuleer less social. I had found no one really talked to me and then I just ended up grinding away at making Isk. After awhile like every multiple pilot Capsuleer will discover that true roleplay requires more than one person. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/139 "2023-09-19T02:30:40Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > In the world of Azeroth I use to multi box so I could roleplay with myself. Did you also ERP with yourself? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I had found no one really talked to me and then I just ended up grinding away at making Isk. That probability has more to do with your incoherent blithering, then actually multiboxing. When people can’t understand you, they are left with 2 options. Ignore you, or try to engage you in a conversation which just ends In you having some sort of awkward cringy monologue about who knows what. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > After awhile like every multiple pilot Capsuleer will discover that true roleplay requires more than one person. Figured that on out all on your own, did’ja? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-multiboxing-2-win-a-new-player-experience/420368/140 "2023-09-19T02:31:52Z")
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