# Eve is stuck in the past **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 19, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620 "2019-07-19T16:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/204 "2019-07-23T09:13:49Z")
Ah that reminds me, need to post the pics from that ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/205 "2019-07-23T10:04:54Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > The game IS and NEVER was hard to understand. For myself, or the countless friends that have tried the game over the years It was just basic reading.(only lazy people find it hard) You’ve clearly never had to deal with undocumented mechanics like grid-fu or having to work out how POS work without any documentation 😛 > [@Falthis](#): > > The game “DOSE” lack content for new players looking for a “new” game. > (more later on this subject) Has level 1 missions, has mission arcs, has mining, has ratting it has production it has PvP, what content are you expecting exactly? > [@Falthis](#): > > The eve community is stuck in the past, refusing to except change.Hint: Blackout and Invasion A subset of the community dislikes blackout and invasion, not all of it, most of us are quite happy to see the blue donut suffer 😛 > [@Falthis](#): > > PVP is lackluster, time consuming, and or both. Then EVE isn’t for you as 90% of EVE is PvP in one form or another > [@Falthis](#): > > And yet in the end I never got much past the highsec part of the game for a couple of reasons. See this is where you’re confused, because you think there needs to be something outside of high sec for all players, you can quite happily do pretty much everything without ever having to leave high sec 😛 > [@Falthis](#): > > Cant trust corps fully. Welcome to EVE, the mantra is “trust nobody”, its really starting to look like EVE isn’t actually the sort of game you want so it might just be easier for you to accept that > [@Falthis](#): > > No safe places. Again quite literally part of EVE, see above > [@Falthis](#): > > Limited content. No “involved” story/history past the very short story arcs. Because players are the story, if you’re looking for single player stories there are many other games out there for you > [@Falthis](#): > > PVP: From my side, I was blobbed over and over. From watching a friend play. Its seems to be fun at times, but most times seems to be either solo, and one sided, And the other option, being killed by the blob or being in the blob. (time consuming/lackluster) (no opinion on how to fix it ) Because there isn’t a fix, its no different than any other lawless place, do you think people fight wars with fair numbers? do the police raid buildings with even numbers? you seem to be under the impression that EVE should in some way be “fair” 😛 > [@Falthis](#): > > The (no change) mentality of this game is its biggest flaw. Eve has stayed with the “this game is old school” theme for a very long time, and it has done wonders for the player base that loves and stays with the game. No the biggest problem is people who think every game needs to cater to every player, because thats straight up false > [@Falthis](#): > > Why would a (FULL) PVE (carebare) story hurt this game? > Would it not bring in new players that may filter into (your) game play style? Because it really wouldn’t serve any purpose, if they added a small story you would be back here once that story was over with the same complaints, EVE isn’t a storybook where everything is written out for you to enjoy, YOU are the person writing those stories, i appreciate you may prefer a more “guided” story with some sort of goal but that isn’t EVE > [@Falthis](#): > > Taken out as i’m convinced PVE zone would be bad for the game. You can PvE anywhere aslong as you’re willing to take the risks that go along with it, no i don’t think we’re ever going to have that protected riskless environment you seem to want > [@Falthis](#): > > In my first question giving players a full story quest option to play through gives them TIME and MONEY invested in the game. It makes them want or feel they have to try other things in the game including PVP. And it also causes them to stop playing once they realise there isn’t going to be constant and regular story based stuff for them to do, something that introduces you to the empire factions is fine but at the end of the day the empires don’t really do anything in the game other than provide a coloured canvas for us to play in > [@Falthis](#): > > But to improve the game for the future and “keep” new players coming to the game, you have to except changes that may help you achieve your goals. Yes and no, as i’ve said, not every game has to appeal to every kind of player, literally nothing wrong with being a niche game if you can sustain it, and after this many years i think we can safely say its managed that > [@Falthis](#): > > For a game community always trying to think about how to screw each other over , you sure seem to be limited in thinking of new ways to suck new people in to keep that narrative going with fresh meat. Because we want the the right sort of players, throwing us 1000 new players every day doesn’t do anything for most of us, we want players who aren’t going to cry and ragequit the second something doesn’t go their way or the first time they get blown up ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/206 "2019-07-23T10:29:29Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Because we want the the right sort of players, throwing us 1000 new players every day doesn’t do anything for most of us, we want players who aren’t going to cry and ragequit the second something doesn’t go their way or the first time they get blown up TL;DR Quality, not quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/207 "2019-07-23T10:50:50Z")
I use my carriers as cheap and terrible jump freighters mainly. I did carrier ratting once. It was awful. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/208 "2019-07-23T11:00:09Z")
My experience so far too ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/209 "2019-07-23T11:14:43Z")
This is literally me irl. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/210 "2019-07-23T11:23:11Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/2/72f4a5a5d44b0e72208e98307a5a61afedd10ee9.jpeg) Cypherous: > > > Because we want the the right sort of players, throwing us 1000 new players every day doesn’t do anything for most of us, we want players who aren’t going to cry and ragequit the second something doesn’t go their way or the first time they get blown up > > TL;DR Quality, not quantity. We’re getting neither, and haven’t been for 8 years now. Time for some changes. ![EVE%20Player%20Pop%202011-Jul2019](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/b/db6650c203be44df73642921c08bcc746c41f163.png) ---
**Author:** ![Kashara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kashara/32/143900_2.png) [@Kashara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kashara)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/211 "2019-07-23T11:28:16Z")
Eve’s biggest problem is it’s CEO, who calls new players “content”. Do you want to be called that? I sure don’t. It’s insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/212 "2019-07-23T11:35:55Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Because we want the the right sort of players, throwing us 1000 new players every day doesn’t do anything for most of us, we want players who aren’t going to cry and ragequit the second something doesn’t go their way or the first time they get blown up Well there ARE no other players in todays mmog world… Better get used to this fact because CCP HAS to focus on THEM or the playerloss will continue to a point when the game is not profitable anymore and they simply pull the plug to the server… If THIS is what you want them to do you are on a good way with your “eve has not to change or change even MORE to PVP favoring” policy… May the last switch off the lights… ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/213 "2019-07-23T11:43:22Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Well there ARE no other players in todays mmog world… More pulp gaming analysis from our expert, Balos Incarnate. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Better get used to this fact because CCP HAS to focus on THEM or the playerloss will continue to a point when the game is not profitable anymore and they simply pull the plug to the server… Thank you, Captain Obvious o7 > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > If THIS is what you want them to do you are on a good way with your “eve has not to change or change even MORE to PVP favoring” policy… Yes, we know how you feel. Your voice carries. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/214 "2019-07-23T11:45:48Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > > Well there ARE no other players in todays mmog world… > > More pulp gaming analysis from our expert, Balos Incarnate. > > > Better get used to this fact because CCP HAS to focus on THEM or the playerloss will continue to a point when the game is not profitable anymore and they simply pull the plug to the server… > > Thank you, Captain Obvious o7 > > > If THIS is what you want them to do you are on a good way with your “eve has not to change or change even MORE to PVP favoring” policy… > > Yes, we know how you feel. Your voice carries. You simply are pathetic and -as the title says. stuck in the past… Your are blinded by your bubble walls and can’t see what’s happening out there so you take your own relexion on the bubble walls as “how things are”… That’s really sad… ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/215 "2019-07-23T11:57:57Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > You simply are pathetic No u. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Your are blinded by your bubble walls and can’t see what’s happening out there so you take your own relexion on the bubble walls as “how things are”… I PVE quite happily as things are. Stop being a baby. Seriously, you act like a ■■■■■■■ child that can’t get its own way and refuses to make allowances. IDGAF what you or any of your cronies think. It’s beyond a joke. I’d never normally tell someone to piss off and play another game but for you I’ll make an exception. So piss off. Now flag this truth and feel victorious. ---
**Author:** ![Sinjin\_Sneer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinjin_sneer/32/372855_2.png) [@Sinjin\_Sneer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinjin_Sneer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/216 "2019-07-23T12:01:26Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > So piss off. @Mortlake for prez. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/217 "2019-07-23T12:01:57Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > Now flag this truth and feel victorious. There is no truth in that,just a repeat of what your bubble lets you see… ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/218 "2019-07-23T12:08:05Z")
Censured ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/219 "2019-07-23T12:12:18Z")
He’s not a new player. He’s a troll with multiple accounts designed to evade bans. He’s got a pineapple up his ass about the fact that he can’t do whatever the hell he likes in HIS area of space, 100% risk free and he literally is the athlete’s foot of this game. ---
**Author:** ![Kashara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kashara/32/143900_2.png) [@Kashara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kashara)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/220 "2019-07-23T12:15:28Z")
Eve has been having a toxic forum community for a long time. People in game are a lot better. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/221 "2019-07-23T12:15:32Z")
Censured ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/222 "2019-07-23T12:17:36Z")
In my experience they generally only come to vent, and rather than ignore the trolls and answer genuine questions like “What part of the fame is giving to trouble? Maybe we can help”, they do a bit of Forum PvP before they go. After about the billionth “Youre all bad and EvE is bad” you kinda lose patience with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/223 "2019-07-23T12:19:04Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I wasn’t talking about your little row with Peripar. Ah, just conveniently placed then? I see. No problem. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620.md?page=12)