# Eve is stuck in the past **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 19, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620 "2019-07-19T16:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/268 "2019-07-24T13:13:33Z")
We’re trading cringy 70’s/80’s comedians, no one wins in this. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/269 "2019-07-24T13:16:45Z")
Butt out Duro. This is a family matter, with “siblings” gently ribbing each other. As you’re not English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, you don’t get to join in. Also, stop with the weaponised flagging. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_Olmops](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edward_olmops/32/248245_2.png) [@Edward\_Olmops](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edward_Olmops)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/270 "2019-07-24T13:26:45Z")
My “interpretation” of EVE 😉 EVE is at first a social game. Social interaction between space nerds. The most fun you can get out of it is by meeting people and hanging out with them (while constructing and/or blowing up pixel stuff) While nothing is safe and betrayal might be a constant threat - the vast majority of people are not this. They are just people. Just try it. As for PvP: yeah, same observations. Can be a huge time sink. Because everyone loves to blow up stuff, but nobody likes being blown up, there is some disparity in the game that leads to streaks of nothingness and frustration if you just want to go out and “do PvP”. Unless you REALLY invest time and learn to compete with the best. That does not work for casuals. Alternative A: join a fleet, follow an experienced FC. Downside: also gets boring after a number of times unless you specialize on becoming an active part (as scout or the like) Alternative B: change your perspective on PvP. Carebear vs hunter is also always PvP even if the carebear never gets a killmail. Becoming the unkillable carebear without sticking to highsec is also a cool goal. You need to be creative tough. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/271 "2019-07-24T13:28:04Z")
> [@Edward\_Olmops](#): > > Becoming the unkillable carebear Makes you a bear, not a carebear. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/272 "2019-07-24T15:46:40Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Wants to radically change the game to appeal to casual players thereby destroying the core of the game \> claims to be reasonable > > Yeah you’re entitled to your opinion, but that doesn’t stop it being wrong, you’re not proposing anything that would add to the core of the game but instead only things that would actually subtract from the experience, if EVE isn’t the game for you then go find one that is > > To quote yourself “If you don’t like it simply go away and leave the reasonable players alone please” > > And i don’t even want your stuff, its probably contaminated with whatever caused this thread to exist So standstill is the answer even regarding to the player loss? Because this is what you basically say… All that leave must “not understand eve right” or “play the game wrong” or “eve is not for them(even if they are years in the game)”…so “we don’t need a change(at least it’s a makebelieve you use)” Very snotty approach in my eyes… So YOU do exactly what you accuse ME of…and even don’t realize it… ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/273 "2019-07-24T15:52:38Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Also, stop with the weaponised flagging. Well i did not start it but i will not end it before others stop it…if you scroll up the forum you will witness that i was annoyed by it MONTHS ago…all i do now is giving back a taste of the medicine others used on me… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/274 "2019-07-24T16:04:17Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > all i do now is giving back a taste of the medicine others used on me The difference being that some of your posts that have been flagged are downright ■■■■■■■ offensive. If you weren’t such an offensive and self centred twat with zero demonstrated understanding of the game, or of any concept that doesn’t follow the herd, you wouldn’t get flagged so often. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/275 "2019-07-24T16:11:56Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > So standstill is the answer even regarding to the player loss? The answer is to appeal to the core type of player you actually want, dumbing everything down and making it more noob friendly isn’t the solution > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Because this is what you basically say… Not even close, i said i would rather have the game die than become WoW > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > All that leave must “not understand eve right” or “play the game wrong” or “eve is not for them(even if they are years in the game)”…so “we don’t need a change(at least it’s a makebelieve you use)” Again you’re not actually reading or understanding what i said, player loss is inevitable, but that doesn’t mean its down to the game not being carebear friendly, some people just get burnt out, i’ve been around since 2004, eventually you get bored, adding what the OP proposes isn;t going to bring me back, the same as its not going to bring back other PvP players who have left, all it will do is slowly replace the core players with people too afraid to leave high sec and that isn’t going to help the core game, getting in new blood is fine but it needs to be the right kind of player, EVE does not and should not appeal to everyone, but in todays climate of “inclusiveness” people incorrectly believe that they should always be included regardless of the cost So no, we want the right sort of players not the wrong sort of game > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > So YOU do exactly what you accuse ME of…and even don’t realize it… Not even remotely, i accept the game as it is at its core, i’m not going to fight to have that core changed just because we don’t have 100,000 peak concurrent players, you’re chasing numbers thinking that high player counts matter when quality beats quantity in every single way that matters ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/276 "2019-07-24T16:12:47Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The difference being that some of your posts that have been flagged are downright ■■■■■■■ offensive. > > If you weren’t such an offensive and self centred twat with zero demonstrated understanding of the game, or of any concept that doesn’t follow the herd, you wouldn’t get flagged so often. If you are right in that please explain why 99% of my posts were reopened by the mods… This fact does not fit into your accusation at all… ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/277 "2019-07-24T16:20:23Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > he answer is to appeal to the core type of player you actually want, dumbing everything down and making it more noob friendly isn’t the solution If this is the only existing player on the market the answer to this is a clear YES > [@Cypherous](#): > > Not even close, i said i would rather have the game die than become WoW Well the game is on a good way to grant you that whish than… > [@Cypherous](#): > > Again you’re not actually reading or understanding what i said, player loss is inevitable, but that doesn’t mean its down to the game not being carebear friendly, some people just get burnt out, i’ve been around since 2004, eventually you get bored, adding what the OP proposes isn;t going to bring me back, the same as its not going to bring back other PvP players who have left, all it will do is slowly replace the core players with people too afraid to leave high sec and that isn’t going to help the core game, getting in new blood is fine but it needs to be the right kind of player, EVE does not and should not appeal to everyone, but in todays climate of “inclusiveness” people incorrectly believe that they should always be included regardless of the cost > > So no, we want the right sort of players not the wrong sort of game Maybe YOU would not come back but a lot of others and even new ones? Maybe THIS is what CCP cares about? And yes it’s insulting that a company who is supposed to make profit is not concerned about your "anti WOW feelings but about what the game needs in todays market. Get used to it… ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/278 "2019-07-24T16:27:45Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > If this is the only existing player on the market the answer to this is a clear YES Except it isn’t, majority sure but its not the only type of player on the market, and that snever going to happen there will always be players who want an actual game 😛 > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Maybe YOU would not come back but a lot of others and even new ones? Thing is, i very much doubt that, players who left the game mostly left due to burnout, not because the game wasn’t holding their hands, they just got their fill of the game, making the game “safer” or trying to cater to the people with extreme fears of loss isn’t going to get the core players back, its going to do the reverse and drive more core players away, its very simple math > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > And yes it’s insulting that a company who is supposed to make profit is not concerned about your "anti WOW feelings but about what the game needs in todays market. And they are making a profit, otherwise the game would have closed down already, you’re confusing “making money” with “making all of the money” which is more the area left to companies like EA, if they wanted to make all of the money they would just sell out and start selling gold ammo, premium ships, lootboxes and ways to directly pay to win, which is what EA would do with the game, which again isn’t what we want here nor should you ever be pushing for that So yeah, in a game where the players are the core experience of the game there isn’t a need to mess around with trying to cater to the people with an attention span smaller than a gnats testicle ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/279 "2019-07-24T16:32:02Z")
TBH if you think about it for a bit, Duro has never/likely will never say anything that really warrants any consideration from another person and treating him as if that were not the case (by responding) really only perpetuates his incessant derailments and pointless noisemaking. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/280 "2019-07-24T16:47:15Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > TBH if you think about it for a bit, Duro has never/likely will never say anything that really warrants any consideration from another person and treating him as if that were not the case (by responding) really only perpetuates his incessant derailments and pointless noisemaking But sometimes feeding the trolls can be fun, i mean i’m just sitting here playing Fire Emblem Three Houses so i could use a distraction 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/281 "2019-07-24T16:53:08Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > TBH if you think about it for a bit, Duro has never/likely will never say anything that really warrants any consideration from another person and treating him as if that were not the case (by responding) really only perpetuates his incessant derailments and pointless noisemaking. You mean the same behaviour some people show to me ? And i’m to blame because i don’t follow the great wisdom of the bittervets that eve has not to be changed and rather should die than doing that? It was clearly stated that they don’t care about the game but just about THE game,which means what THEY see how the game has to be and to be played. How is this behaviour even a jota better of what you accuse me off… There is no “discussion” with arguments beeing changed,this is just about spitting out statements. “The other side” is so trapped in their certainity bubble that they wouldn’t even accept facts that are thrown out by CCP if they would support my point… I really cannot see why you accuse ME and only ME… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/282 "2019-07-24T16:54:08Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > If you are right in that please explain why 99% of my posts were reopened by the mods… Some, by definition, is not all. > This fact does not fit into your accusation at all… You wouldn’t know a fact if it walked up to you wearing a florescent yellow t-shirt with I’m a fact emblazoned on it. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > If this is the only existing player on the market the answer to this is a clear YES That’s a lie, 16 years of Eve is living proof that there are players that wish to play games that don’t conform to the lowest common denominator. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > You mean the same behaviour some people show to me ? If you act like an ignoramus you tend to get treated like one. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/283 "2019-07-24T16:55:43Z")
lol +1 Haven’t seen you around much for awhile, seems, @Ralph_King-Griffin . Volunteering for ukip is really keeping you busy! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/284 "2019-07-24T16:56:26Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Some, by definition, is not all. 99% is not “all” 🙂 > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > That’s a lie, 16 years of Eve is living proof that there are players that wish to play games that don’t conform to the lowest common denominator. 16 years mean NOTHING if the surroundings change…those 16 years may mean something to YOU but are totally irrelevant for a buisness decision… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/285 "2019-07-24T16:59:36Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > 99% is not “all” 1% is some. > 16 years mean NOTHING if the surroundings change…those 16 years may mean something to YOU but are totally irrelevant for a buisness decision. Are you claiming that there is no place in the current market for a game like Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/286 "2019-07-24T17:25:40Z")
I’ll have you know I’m an ardent (if largely drunk) socialist. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/287 "2019-07-24T17:35:58Z")
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