# Eve is stuck in the past **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 19, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620 "2019-07-19T16:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/81 "2019-07-20T00:52:53Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > It has been suggested in other threads that the devs should make a design tool for security missions and hand that over to the community. At this point, I think I’d even be ok if CCP has to scrap the old missions to do so, as I think with a tool in the hands of the community, there may be fans that could faithfully recreate some of the past favorites, and also surprise everyone with lore and content that could exceed expectations. > > Something like that would take the burden off developer resources, and at the same time, build up more involvement in the community. Mission content has gone stale as one of the sources of PvE and income. And as PvE and PvP are inseparable within EVE as far as overall game design, if PvE is required for EVE to function properly, then might as well make the grind at least somewhat enjoyable. Well said and another open idea Ty sir. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/82 "2019-07-20T00:56:04Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > And the made up scenario that by me changing my mind after Eve players convinced me of how it would change the core fundamentals of the game Personally, I think someone who sees the validity of other people’s arguments shows maturity. Bravo to you. That doesn’t happen often enough in these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/83 "2019-07-20T00:58:36Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > Hence other games have changed things in games to bring in and retain new players and still kept the core of the game they created. Has what to do with the price of tea in China, now? Nobody said _nothing_ could be changed. What was said was that your specific ideas ain’t it. 0% of what you posted is _new_. The same ideas about, “You know what this needs to fix player retention? Some more PvE content!” have been around for years, and they’ve _added_ more PvE content and, lo, it does nothing for retention because actually, the problem is fairly complicated, and who would have thought that the simplistic idea from GuyWho’sBeenHereForFiveMinutes isn’t a silver bullet! Go figure! Hell, some time back they added the “diamond” NPCs, which were actually fairly interesting new content in their AI behavior and relative difficulty. A little more “alive” than the red triangles you normally shoot, anyhow. You know what PvE players mostly do? [Complain about them eating up all the asteroids they want to AFK mine.](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/no-ore-in-system/168554/47) ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/84 "2019-07-20T01:00:06Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > Personally, I think someone who sees the validity of other people’s arguments shows maturity. Bravo to you. That doesn’t happen often enough in these forums. Man i get it people are afraid any change will ruin everything. Its a legitimate fear. I also play this game and don’t want the eve i play to go away. I am only making suggestions to try and bring in new players and retain them. ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/85 "2019-07-20T01:06:33Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > Has what to do with the price of tea in China, now? > > Nobody said _nothing_ could be changed. What was said was that your specific ideas ain’t it. > > 0% of what you posted is _new_ . The same ideas about, “You know what this needs to fix player retention? Some more PvE content!” have been around for years, and they’ve _added_ more PvE content and, lo, it does nothing for retention because actually, the problem is fairly complicated, and who would have thought that the simplistic idea from GuyWho’sBeenHereForFiveMinutes isn’t a silver bullet! Go figure! > > Hell, some time back they added the “diamond” NPCs, which were actually fairly interesting new content in their AI behavior and relative difficulty. A little more “alive” than the red triangles you normally shoot, anyhow. > > You know what PvE players mostly do? > > Complain about them eating up all the asteroids they want to AFK mine Again i AM truely sorry you have bad feelings about what ive (suggested) I also stated ive been playing the game since 2004 so i’m not the new kid trying to ruin your game. You are obviously very passionate about not loosing what you love in eve. I respect that. All i ask is you have an open mind and try to not let your feelings lead you in to many things in life. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/86 "2019-07-20T01:07:33Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > You are obviously very passionate about not loosing what you love in eve. I respect that. I’m actually just really passionate about not having to read [bad ideas](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/technology-research/player-features-ideas) in General Discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/87 "2019-07-20T01:13:47Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > I’m actually just really passionate about not having to read bad ideas in General Discussion. Sorry to hear that you are unable to think about anything other than your opinion. Ive tried facts, apologizing, sympathizing, and even just being nice and you still choose to be closed minded that others may think different than you. And you choose to show lack of the intelligence needed for constructive conversation. I bid you adieu, and good gaming. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/88 "2019-07-20T01:17:15Z")
You must be new to the forums… ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/89 "2019-07-20T01:19:18Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You must be new to the forums… I read them some, Just havn’t posted. I expected it but its still amazing to see it either way. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/90 "2019-07-20T01:20:20Z")
What is it you imagine that you’ve said is “factual”, exactly? Like it might be a “fact” that your _opinion_ is that what we really need is some PvE campaign content, but you haven’t actually presented anything in the way of “facts” to support it as a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/91 "2019-07-20T01:21:20Z")
I was just talking about how rude and one sided we can all be at times! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/92 "2019-07-20T01:24:54Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I was just talking about how rude and one sided we can all be at times! 🙂 Yes sir we all can be. I’m no exception. We as humans as of late seem to have forgotten even the basics of conversation. To always be passionate, in what we believe but to only use facts when in a disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/93 "2019-07-20T01:28:56Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > facts ? What are those? I just had to say it. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/94 "2019-07-20T01:30:26Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > ? What are those? I just had to say it. 🤣 lol. Ty for saying what i was thinking after i posted 🙂 Even as i posted that the real world slapped me upside the head. ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/95 "2019-07-20T01:30:56Z")
> [@Falthis](#): > > Man i get it people are afraid any change will ruin everything. Its a legitimate fear. I also play this game and don’t want the eve i play to go away. I am only making suggestions to try and bring in new players and retain them. “EVE is dying!” has been shouted forth from all sides in these forums from perceived threats to their playstyle. It could very well be true that EVE has lasted so long because it changes so slowly. But it’s also true that EVE hasn’t exactly grown either of late. I do hope for the best for the game tho. All ideas should be given a chance, but should be critiqued as well. And even if the idea is loved, don’t expect to see changes anytime soon, as again, the game evolves ever so slowly. My only suggestion to you for future topics, would be to keep the thread to a single idea. Such as how to improve existing content, or some such. ---
**Author:** ![Falthis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falthis/32/149675_2.png) [@Falthis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falthis)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/96 "2019-07-20T01:32:39Z")
Ty you for the advice. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/97 "2019-07-20T01:33:03Z")
Apparently they’re something that has to be supplied when disagreeing with someone’s opinion, regardless of how trite it is. But they’re absolutely not something the OP has to provide himself. No sir. Only people that disagree with him. For some reason, every idiot who posts an opinion here thinks it’s up to the rest of the world to disprove their opinion, or else it’s automatically correct when, in actuality, it’s their responsibility to support their positive assertion. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/98 "2019-07-20T01:33:30Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > Such as how to improve existing content, or some such. You must be new as well? CCP has had many good ideas tossed out at them over the years from the player base itself. Most are not headed, hence, the blackout because it was easy… Edit; sry, wasn’t meant as an insult Edit; trying putting up with this crap as long as some of us, many are even older than I because the game just has that much potential! Edit; bangs upper body on keyboard till I’m just a bloody stump from the waste up… ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/99 "2019-07-20T01:42:34Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > > [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > > > Such as how to improve existing content, or some such. > > You must be new as well? CCP has had many good ideas tossed out at them over the years from the player base itself. Most are not headed, hence, the blackout because it was easy… > > Edit; sry, wasn’t meant as an insult No, not new. Been here long enough not to have high expectations for my own playstyle, but I am pragmatic to know the the game does change eventually, even if it takes years. Even if it seems CCP doesn’t listen, I don’t think it means people should give up either. I say, go on! Keep posting your ideas, maybe it will catch on, and you and others may refine your arguments. The only thing being used up is bytes on a server… 😅 And no worries, I didn’t take it as insult. I’ve got thick gamers skin, and I’ve read enough of your posts to know that you mostly mean to be thoughtful and witty. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620/100 "2019-07-20T01:46:32Z")
I don’t know why, but I am truly worried this time. Edit; I think the bots might be winning? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-is-stuck-in-the-past/176620.md?page=6)