# Eve isn't dying, but it isn't growing. My answer that devs won't recognize **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694 "2023-01-29T16:42:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/219 "2023-02-04T09:04:19Z")
šŸ¤£ šŸ˜‚ šŸ˜… What a load of šŸ’© Now if I was a Gankerā€¦ or even an Anti-Ganker, youā€™d definitely be on my daily hit listā€¦ But since my choice of gameplay is exploration, you can go on dreamingā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/220 "2023-02-04T09:12:20Z")
reeeee ā€œi would do something but i wont, because i dont do anythingā€ ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/221 "2023-02-04T09:27:54Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > No, I never said itā€™s not a threat. > > I mostly do exploration and missions. I rarely ever did any mining or hauling in an Industrial ship, and whenever I have to transport large amounts of loot, I always use a Blockade Runner. You said in all your years youā€™ve barely been ganked. Iā€™d say that qualifies as evidence that ganking is not the threat people make it out to be. Thanks for your testimony and help to the ganker cause šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/222 "2023-02-04T09:34:18Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Iā€™ve never been ganked because DeMichael is afraid of me. > > Heā€™s scared to try. > > šŸ” Not a single forum boomer has _ever_ gone after me or other players I know in-game, despite the constant tough-guy posturing. The only people that did were people from the game, who actually _played_ the game. This leads me to believe that these clucksters are simply _wannabe griefers_ at heart. They _want_ to make other players feel bad (it doesnā€™t matter whether those players are miners or gankers or whatever, because the desire in itself is malicious in nature), which is why they talk the way they do. But theyā€™re _so_ far removed from having even a _shred_ of testicular fortitude, that the only thing theyā€™re able to do is make passive-aggressive posts on the forums, more often than not using hidden-profile throwaway accounts. Even CONCORD-coattail-riding AGs do stuff in-game at least, even if itā€™s utterly self-fellating and superficial. But these forumites are even _lower_ on the food chain. They also have a tendency to make claims about grand PvP-related accomplishments and embellish their completely unsubstantiated in-game histories (i.e. the whole ā€œmaking entire enemy fleets dock up with their mere presenceā€ kind of thing). For what itā€™s worth, DMC at least isnā€™t guilty of this, and is honest about playing with a 100% intent to avoid PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/224 "2023-02-04T09:40:19Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Dracvlad is amused that you are so desperate to fight. Why donā€™t you come to Bannerbear for an honorable duel (which he declines to accept)? Because Iā€™d be way too busy dressing up my pony instead of riding it into battle? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/225 "2023-02-04T09:40:57Z")
Tut tut, back to Bannebear for me. I hereby quit these forums forever, once again. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/226 "2023-02-04T09:52:29Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Tut tut, back to Bannebear for me. Iā€™m sure he just uses mods to win every battle easily. He was the type in Warband to just use swadian knights cause they OP and canā€™t lose. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/227 "2023-02-04T12:52:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Not a single forum boomer has _ever_ gone after me or other players I know in-game, despite the constant tough-guy posturing. The only people that did were people from the game, who actually _played_ the game. Have to laugh at the whole boomer stereotypeā€¦as some of the boomers were playing RPGs when the youngā€™uns were still in their nappies. Your stereotype fits better with those whoā€™ve reached senility yet never played a computer game before in their life. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/228 "2023-02-04T13:03:53Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Your stereotype fits better with those whoā€™ve reached senility yet never played a computer game before in their life. Iā€™m sure that this pretty accurately describes at least a couple of the regulars around here. EVE was their first game, at their old age, which quite handily explains why theyā€™re so verbally adverse to in-game competition; because they never experienced it before and their brains are too calcified to adapt to emergent gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/229 "2023-02-04T14:07:54Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > 2004 huh? > > OK I believe youā€¦ even though your character was created in 2007ā€¦ šŸ™„ > > In my 15 yrs of playing, Iā€™ve only been ganked twice in High Sec space and was caught one time in Low sec space. So yeah, thank you very much, Iā€™ll just continue with my own way of playingā€¦ I am not demanding that you follow my advice @DeMichael_Crimson. If you have only been ganked twice in highsec space without even bothering to pay attention to your environment, ganking is not really a problem is it? My advice is for the people who claim that suicide ganking is an epidemic, and destroying the game, or new bros who read these threads and are scared off by this narrative. Since you have only been ganked twice in fifteen years, that is clearly not an issue for you. I donā€™t understand why you are getting so salty at me for giving out good advice on ways to avoid being caught on grid. If you donā€™t think ganking is a problem (and I agree, it is not) then set up your orca, walk away from your computer, and then go watch a movie. I donā€™t care what you do. I am just tired of people who claim that the game is dying because of suicide ganking, demand that rules be put in place to nerf other peopleā€™s game play to solve the great ganking problem, but act like they canā€™t be bothered to pay attention to their surroundings to keep from being ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/230 "2023-02-04T14:59:09Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I donā€™t understand why you are getting so salty Ganking threat means ppl have to put in a tiny bit of effort instead of having their 29 alts fly around everywhere on auto pilot. Itā€™s not that it doesnā€™t happen to them much, itā€™s that it forces them to pay attention, which gets more and more problematic the more accounts you run. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/231 "2023-02-04T20:39:15Z")
Ganking is basically impossible if people take basic precautions. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/232 "2023-02-04T20:42:25Z")
Very true. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/233 "2023-02-05T00:01:08Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > take basic precautions. zoomers, pleaseā€¦ šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/234 "2023-02-05T00:29:48Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I am not demanding that you follow my advice @DeMichael_Crimson. If you have only been ganked twice in highsec space without even bothering to pay attention to your environment, ganking is not really a problem is it? Funny how people always change the context of what was really said in an effort to prove themselves right. I never said I donā€™t take precautions in-game. Nor did I ever say High Sec ganking is not a problem. > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Since you have only been ganked twice in fifteen years, that is clearly not an issue for you. I donā€™t understand why you are getting so salty at me for giving out good advice on ways to avoid being caught on grid. In addition to those 2 successful ganks, Iā€™ve also had over a dozen gank attempts done on me as well so yeah, High Sec ganking is clearly an issue. I already stated my opinion of your advice, while itā€™s great info and should be done in Low, Null and W-hole space, following your advice to the letter in High Sec space will not make for an enjoyable gameplay experience and will ultimately keep the player from actually engaging in their chosen gameplay career. If anything the safeguard actions you stated can be simplified without instilling a ton of paranoia which imo is more of a deterrent to new players than the actual threat of being ganked. > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > If you donā€™t think ganking is a problem (and I agree, it is not) then set up your orca, walk away from your computer, and then go watch a movie. I donā€™t care what you do. I am just tired of people who claim that the game is dying because of suicide ganking, demand that rules be put in place to nerf other peopleā€™s game play to solve the great ganking problem, but act like they canā€™t be bothered to pay attention to their surroundings to keep from being ganked. Lastly, letā€™s get one thing straight, I am an explorer / mission runner and I travel through all security levels of space. I am just tired of constantly seeing pro-gank people posting a bunch of BS about how High Sec ganking is paramount for keeping this game alive when in reality theyā€™re just opposed to having rules set in place that increases the risk for them to commit criminal acts in High Sec space. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/235 "2023-02-05T03:28:07Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ganking is basically impossible Didnā€™t you see the two vods I linked? Or did you meant ganking is impossible to counter? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > if people take basic precautions. Precautions like what? Not play? kek! > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > having their 29 alts fly around everywhere If someone uses 29 alts then he has some issues. > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I am just tired of people who claim that the game is dying because of suicide ganking Have you taken a look at the daily player numbers? They were dangerously low until ccp made changes to low sec statua players, which affected ganking. Then playe numbers started to rise again. > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > demand that rules be put in place to nerf other peopleā€™s game play to solve the great ganking problem Ganking is actually a ptoblem and ccp did good to implement the tethering and docking changes. Itā€™s a good start and they still have a way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/236 "2023-02-05T03:32:46Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > Didnā€™t you see the two vods I linked? No. Can you link them again? ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/237 "2023-02-05T03:38:00Z")
Scroll up, troll! I already told you donā€™t try to play dumb, you already are! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/238 "2023-02-05T03:39:29Z")
Ok, well, itā€™s not that interesting to me. They arenā€™t banned, so I assume you are wrong. Thereā€™s really no reason to talk about this, see? Let CCP do their job, and you can run along? ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/239 "2023-02-05T03:44:42Z")
Ccp did their job. Thatā€™s why all those characters havenā€™t had any activity after that gank and griefing that was on a live stream. And donā€™t try to sound smart asking me to run along. That attitudr doesnā€™t hold with me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=12)