# Eve isn't dying, but it isn't growing. My answer that devs won't recognize **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694 "2023-01-29T16:42:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/42 "2023-01-30T17:36:18Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > No skill involved If it takes no skill to kill you… …you are a bad. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/43 "2023-01-30T18:37:03Z")
> [@Khaldin](#): > > engage willfully into pvp You do this by pressing the undock button, my dude. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/44 "2023-01-30T23:50:55Z")
> [@Gelf](#): > > Look, the ganker doesn’t just appear out of nowhere with guns blazing. except that’s exactly how it happens. Here I found some of that ganker’s streams: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/7/2/972a1e64ce5fdcc66dac1370b40cd65d472c6080.jpeg "EVE Online: Gank - 13 Catalysts vs Mackinaw multiboxing PvP 2023.01.21") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DjDai-2Kpo) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/e/7/de78f9ed02af899d1b4db75c7251c30dceb3bfa1.jpeg "EVE Online: Gank - 13 Catalysts vs Vexor Navy Issue multibox PVP 2023.01.21") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBaPS2bJi0) Warp on top of the target. broadcast input f1. done. the victim doesn’t even have time to align, the whole videos are only 2 minutes long FFS! > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If it takes no skill to kill you… > > …you are a bad. I was talking about no skill on the gankers part. just take a look at the vods above. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/45 "2023-01-31T00:02:39Z")
That type of activity is against the TOS and a ban-able action and should not be part of the argument of whether or not ganking is bad for the game. To be clear the ban worthy action is how the player overheated all guns and all clients with just one input command to all clients, the rest seems legit. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/46 "2023-01-31T00:05:56Z")
yes, I actually filed a ticket and linked these vods. he’s even being so brazen as to post it online. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/47 "2023-01-31T00:29:20Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > the victim doesn’t even have time to align, the whole videos are only 2 minutes long FFS! If the ‘victim’ wasn’t so busy watching Netflix they’d have had all the time in the world to notice gankers enter the system. It’s not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/48 "2023-01-31T00:34:55Z")
that ganker couldn’t have made the ganks without command binning and broadcast inputs. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/49 "2023-01-31T01:07:04Z")
People already explained how he did this. Isn’t their fault you’re bad at the game my guy. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/50 "2023-01-31T01:16:10Z")
and another troll crawled from under the bridge. the ticket was filed, ccp will deal with it now. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/51 "2023-01-31T01:16:16Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > Isn’t their fault you’re bad at the game my guy. But he didn’t get his award for just showing up and that’s not right. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/52 "2023-01-31T01:26:31Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > People already explained how he did this. Without showing any actual proof, they only surmised how it might have been done. So basically it’s up to CCP to verify if he did or didn’t cheat… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/53 "2023-01-31T01:45:15Z")
No wonder CCP doesn’t do anything about actual bots, because the spergs keep spamming CCP with nonsense reports. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/54 "2023-01-31T06:23:51Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > and another troll crawled from under the bridge. the ticket was filed, ccp will deal with it now. What troll the truth? People literally explained the game mechanics to you. I get how you don’t understand EVE mechanics, but that doesn’t mean everyone is cheating LOL. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Without showing any actual proof, they only surmised how it might have been done. > > So basically it’s up to CCP to verify if he did or didn’t cheat… Same as this guy is doing. He doesn’t have any actual proof either. Just his opinion. Unlike Hagarquafewaffle, I’ve actually spoken with Sargon several times. He is a upstanding dude, good at his craft. This is simply report griefing, pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/55 "2023-01-31T06:27:58Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > People literally explained the game mechanics to you. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/6/1/5613f3ac904aab37491d48066c33a11dce9e5433.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/56 "2023-01-31T06:28:47Z")
In all my years of MMOing, I always find people who don’t understand the mechanics always cry cheating, instead of actually learning. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/57 "2023-01-31T06:30:19Z")
“i saw the entire fleet warp simultaneously!” “they all shot at the same time!” “permits aren’t real!” ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/58 "2023-01-31T11:50:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Without showing any actual proof, they only surmised how it might have been done. Adrian Vexier posted actual proof from the same stream, showing how it is done completely within the rules, in the other dumb thread where these claims have been made. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/59 "2023-01-31T15:11:24Z")
I know a charter named red wine and we used to joke about his arch rival being called white wine ---
**Author:** ![Gelf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gelf/32/462608_2.png) [@Gelf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gelf)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/60 "2023-01-31T17:17:58Z")
This doesn’t prove me wrong. Next, they had to jump in through a stargate. Local would have spiked. If you see local jump like that, start aligning. If anything lands on grid you warp out instantly. There was a good 30 seconds before they landed on grid. Then you have D-Scan. ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/61 "2023-01-31T20:17:40Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Adrian Vexier posted actual proof from the same stream, showing how it is done completely within the rules, in the other dumb thread where these claims have been made. Hey @Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor Will you be publicly admitting you were wrong about your public accusations here and in the other thread where you accused Adrian Vexier of cheating but he posted proof otherwise? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=4)