# Eve isn't dying, but it isn't growing. My answer that devs won't recognize **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 29, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694 "2023-01-29T16:42:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/82 "2023-02-01T10:03:07Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > Fortnite/Warzone/Apex/OW/LoL/Val or any newer game eh I watch 4 teenagers play Fortnite for 3 hours twice a week. Evidently they’re playing with others. Besides the usual cuss words that escape their lips while in state of excitement, I haven’t heard any of them advocate to change the game or threaten anorher player’s family with bodily harm. > [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > Download Apex. Fire it up. Play for a weekend. Then get back to me. Okay. I will. I shall report my findings once done. However, I feel that pointing the finger at an entire generation is disingenuous and too expedient. * * * Fifie wants to be fair with others. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/83 "2023-02-01T10:05:00Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > I watch 4 teenagers play Fortnite for 3 hours twice a week. Evidently they’re playing with others. Besides the usual cuss words that escape their lips while in state of excitement, I haven’t heard any of them advocate to change the game or threaten anorher player’s family with bodily harm. ROFL you think they say these things in front of you? C’mon mate. Were you born yesterday or ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/84 "2023-02-01T10:10:46Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > C’mon mate. Were you born yesterday or Oh… Evidently I was born yesterday 😒 I wonder what else they may be doing while I’m not watching. I guess my trying Apex shall be useless now that you are adamant that what you say is without error and I am willing to concede that an entire generation is just good for the trash bin. How sad. * * * Fifie is willing to concede. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/85 "2023-02-01T11:09:22Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > Oh… Evidently I was born yesterday 😒 > I wonder what else they may be doing while I’m not watching. > I guess my trying Apex shall be useless now that you are adamant that what you say is without error and I am willing to concede that an entire generation is just good for the trash bin. How sad. LOL your hyperbole is amusing. You’re the one consigning them to the trash bin. I’m merely saying the crying may be generationally motivated. You weren’t ever gonna try Apex bro. Lets not front shall we? If you think they aren’t saying vile things while you aren’t around well, I got some land in Florida for you to buy. Amazing investment. Low down payment yennoe? ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/86 "2023-02-01T11:17:13Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > You weren’t ever gonna try Apex bro. Lets not front shall we? So I’m _fronting_?? WOW!!! _THANK_ YOU! * * * Fifie feefees really hurt now😥 Fifie called liar while she _hates_ liars and traitors😭 Fifie not talkin to Kuro no more. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/87 "2023-02-01T13:13:36Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > I’m merely saying the crying may be generationally motivated. Maybe its called Juvenoia. ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/88 "2023-02-01T13:23:31Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > So I’m _fronting_?? No. He’s saying that about himself in a roundabout way. In psychology It’s called Prejection. Look it up. EVE is dying a **slow** death, a multiple-decade’s death that may lengthen to a century. Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy playing it like I stole it. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/89 "2023-02-01T13:36:29Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > EVE is dying a **slow** death I don’t think EVE has ever been dying. It’s just part of the usual whine: “If the devs don’t do as I say then the game will ( I hope ) die!!” Childish attitude is what it is. It’s ridiculous coming from adults. The devs must have good laughs reading the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/90 "2023-02-01T14:03:51Z")
That’s not how weapons activation works and even if it worked that way it would be unfair and an exploit. The fact remains that some single player may use multiple accounts to abuse game mechanics to gain unfair advantages against other players. That isnthe very definition of an exploit and that is exactly what is happening in those videos. I don’t think the game is meant to be played that way because that is just plain stupid. Just look at the videos ffs they are almost two minutes long and in that time he destroyes faction cruisers and T2 barges which take hours or days to mine for materials and craft. This cannot be healthy for the game. Now you may whine and cry all you want protecting your ganker alts and friends but in the end you know that what we see is just exploiting game mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/91 "2023-02-01T14:07:14Z")
haha he can not multibox fast. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/92 "2023-02-01T14:09:56Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > That’s not how weapons activation works and even if it worked that way it would be unfair and an exploit. I think everyone would be curious to hear how _you_ believe weapons activation works. Please be as detailed as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/93 "2023-02-01T14:15:51Z")
I hope you meant sargon of amerish, because that hardly even qualifies as multiboxing. He just uses fleet warp once, broadcast input, then switches through windows and another fleet warp. True multiboxing would be pvp, logi, looting, salvaging at the same time. Or something along those lines. And that would take real skill and tenacity, which I really don’t see in any of those videos. > [@Namdor](#): > > I think everyone would be curious to hear how _you_ believe weapons activation works. > > Please be as detailed as possible. I recomend EVE University for you or roll up a new character and go through the ingame tutorial. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/94 "2023-02-01T14:16:36Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > I don’t actually know what I’m talking about, I’m just here to whinge. Great, got it, understood. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/95 "2023-02-01T14:18:03Z")
Another false quote. You have no comeback so you resort to this cheap trolling. I’m not going to feed you though. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/96 "2023-02-01T15:05:13Z")
tl dr wants SRP and doesnt have a keen sense of what “progress” means. #wowgeneration ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/97 "2023-02-01T15:41:18Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > That’s not how weapons activation works If you go to game now, and undock, without any targeted thing, if you then press shift+click on modules like weapons and propulsion disruption, you will turn heat on, without activating them, if you then click on these modules one by one, you pre-activate them. Alt-tab from game to do something else, and when you go back to game, its still preactivated and its heated status is on, then you only have to click target in your overview to unleash everything. Also in PVP and power salvaging for example its more convenient to use function keys instead of clicking on modules, its faster that way. You can use mouse and keyboard at the same time instead of using only mouse. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/98 "2023-02-01T15:42:22Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > That’s not how weapons activation works That is _exactly_ how it works. Like step by step exactly on point, 100% factual and been that way since forever. Stop being dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Amon\_Tobin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amon_tobin/32/376952_2.png) [@Amon\_Tobin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amon_Tobin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/99 "2023-02-01T15:52:35Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Stop being dumb. Reading his other posts on this forum apart from what he has written here, it seems that what you are asking for is impossible for him to achieve. ---
**Author:** ![Gelf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gelf/32/462608_2.png) [@Gelf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gelf)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/100 "2023-02-01T16:24:08Z")
> [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](#): > > broadcast input I think that you should stop making unfounded accusations. I saw no evidence of them input broadcasting and your reluctance to admit that you are at fault, in spite of multiple people educating you on how the mechanics actually work, is completely unfair to the person you are accusing. I see it as they have already preheated and preactivated the weapons before the video starts. You are either unable to grasp this simple concept, or you are deliberately refusing to. Neither is a good look. ---
**Author:** ![Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ha_kar_ma_gor/32/352552_2.png) [@Ha\_Kar\_Ma\_Gor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ha_Kar_Ma_Gor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694/101 "2023-02-01T16:43:33Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > If you go to game now, and undock, without any targeted thing, if you then press shift+click on modules like weapons and propulsion disruption, you will turn heat on, without activating them, if you then click on these modules one by one, you pre-activate them. I don’t see him doing any of what you described on any of his windows. I only see him manualy actuvating and overheating the weapons on one window and then magicaly all are activated and heated as he one-clicks each window. Just look at the vods before he takes them down ffs! there’s even two of them. He literally does just one fking click on each one and boom! That one click means lock on target, activate multiple weapons at once and also overheat all at once?!?! If that is not input broadcasring, I don’t know what is! Stop trying to defend the undefendable and excuse the inexcusable! > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > That is _exactly_ how it works. Look at the vod again several times. Eventually you will understand what is happening. @Amon_Tobin us that sarcasm I sense? Thanks, now I know who to ignore. > [@Gelf](#): > > I think that you should stop making unfounded accusations. You mad I reported him? Are you an alt? Well, it’s out of my hands now. Ccp will deal with it. > [@Gelf](#): > > completely unfair to the person you are accusing. No! The ganker is unfair to the other people in the game. His method is disgusting to be honest! He just uses a powerful computer and some broadcast input utility he probably downloaded from the internet. No creativity, no dificulty, no skill and no nothing involved in what he is doing. And he’s destroying days of other player’s effort and time. > [@Gelf](#): > > You are either unable to grasp this simple concept, or you are deliberately refusing to. Yeah another obvious troll or alt mad that he got reported and probably already banned. I don’t see any zkillboard activity for those ganker alts or his main account for several days now so my report probably reached the right desk. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-isnt-dying-but-it-isnt-growing-my-answer-that-devs-wont-recognize/393694.md?page=6)