# EVE loosing new players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 4, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576 "2019-04-04T23:25:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/44 "2019-04-05T11:13:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/45 "2019-04-05T11:30:32Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > Take industry for example, new players are forced to use invention while old players are given a free pass with T2BPO. Easy fix remove T2BPO. T2bpo have always been a huge problem for player retention. Wait, new players care and quit because of t2 BPO? 🤣🤣🤣 And here I thought I had read everything ---
**Author:** ![Tater-nuts](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tater-nuts/32/189043_2.png) [@Tater-nuts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tater-nuts)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/46 "2019-04-05T11:32:04Z")
OP, sounds like you are in a bad corp. Every EvE player can be useful from day 1, whether they are Omega or stay as Alpha. You just need the proper guidance to help you get started. ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/47 "2019-04-05T11:32:28Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > > > Take industry for example, new players are forced to use invention while old players are given a free pass with T2BPO. Easy fix remove T2BPO. T2bpo have always been a huge problem for player retention. > > Wait, new players care and quit because of t2 BPO? > > 🤣🤣🤣 And here I thought I had read everything He finds a reason to bring this up when ever he can, for the last 8 years. Side note, T2BPOs are a terrible investment which are all but impossible to recoup the investment cost of. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/48 "2019-04-05T11:35:03Z")
> [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > He finds a reason to bring this up when ever he can, for the last 8 years. Clearly a “newbro” ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/49 "2019-04-05T11:42:59Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > OP, sounds like you are in a bad corp. Every EvE player can be useful from day 1, whether they are Omega or stay as Alpha. You just need the proper guidance to help you get started. Of course people who are boosted can get set up easily. But this is “the” game where you can’t trust anyone ever. I can remember only two organizations that a lone new player might reasonably trust: EVE Uni and “R vs B”. And they don’t suit everyone. So short of boosting by RL friends, what really works? EVE’s **players** the the constraint that blocks the path you suggest. ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/50 "2019-04-05T11:49:44Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Do you really think it realistic to change a 15 year old game into something completely different? In 15 years you must change or perish … It is darwinism, HTFU ! ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/51 "2019-04-05T11:50:55Z")
You did not answer my question. Also why is this about HTFU for you? Again: do you actually think a 15 year old game can be changed in such a fundamental way? ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/52 "2019-04-05T11:51:24Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > Eve is doing much better than bitcoin (and other scams) and did not need laws to survive… Yes and tooth fairy will bring you a money for your tooth below the pillow 😂 ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/53 "2019-04-05T11:55:05Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Hellmar mentioned it himself in the forum AMA… EVE gets nearly 10,000 new players _per week_ - at least that was what it said at the time I read it, maybe it was corrected/updated later. Almost none of them stay for even a month. Thanks to giffers and falcon … ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/54 "2019-04-05T11:58:09Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > You just need the proper guidance Or maybe take eve colledge and then eve university and than after 4-6 years of learning at last can enjoy the game, till then have to pay 15 $ per month for nothing … C’mon man be serious! > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Also why is this about HTFU for you? It is HTFU for you, Eve will change or perish accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/55 "2019-04-05T12:01:41Z")
> [@BPRelvara\_LSG](#): > > It is HTFU for you, Eve will change or perish accept it. I don’t get it seriously ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/56 "2019-04-05T12:04:11Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I don’t get it seriously Who ask you anything? You are not important, you are already hooked ( and drained out ), but new generations of gamers are important and wanted in Eve online. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/57 "2019-04-05T12:06:31Z")
And you are representing all this new players and know what they want, because? ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/58 "2019-04-05T12:10:01Z")
I am representing just myself and writing down cold financial facts, Gen Z is a future and everyone in game industry must take it as primary target it if want to survive. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/59 "2019-04-05T12:11:27Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > And you are representing all this new players and know what they want, because? New players have been explaining their issues and being ignored by experienced players “forever”. IMO it was never smart, but now there’s data to support that: EVE’s retention rate. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/60 "2019-04-05T12:12:21Z")
Must have scrolled by the financial facts. Didn’t notice any. Would you describe you as a typical subject of the “generation Z”? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/61 "2019-04-05T12:14:32Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > New players have been explaining their issues and being ignored by experienced players “forever”. > > IMO it was never smart, but now there’s data to support that: EVE’s retention rate. There is a lot of whining and complaining going on in every game forum on the net. That on itself doesen’t necessarily mean they are all right or have even a clue how to fix it. Can you show us that data? I’m interested in what you refer to. ---
**Author:** ![BPRelvara\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bprelvara_lsg/32/125822_2.png) [@BPRelvara\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BPRelvara_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/62 "2019-04-05T12:14:41Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Would you describe you as a typical subject of the “generation Z”? Nope, I am businessman. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576/63 "2019-04-05T12:24:33Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > There is a lot of whining and complaining going on in every game forum on the net. That on itself doesen’t necessarily mean they are all right or have even a clue how to fix it. > > Can you show us that data? I’m interested in what you refer to. Complaining is the natural 🙂 But almost all complaints carry useful information. There’s a whole class of people who think the tone is important, and ignore the attempts to identify and describe problems. In places where actually dealing with problems matters, such people don’t last long. EVE players seems to be in the other camp, along with the three monkeys. re data: after our last discussion you don’t get to “reverse” on _anything_ I say … but a short scan up this very thread will reveal some startling numbers. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-loosing-new-players/150576.md?page=4)