# EVE Lore FAQ: clones, poddings, crew deaths and backups **URL:** \ **Category:** EVE Lore Discussion\ **Created:** [February 10, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064 "2019-02-10T16:00:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/1 "2019-02-10T16:00:08Z")
Here’s the basics of the lore on these things, as a kind of FAQ, gathered up from the recent, recurring discussions. I am sure I miss something, so please add factoids and references! Please keep clear though what is canon-confirmed and what is your favorite hypothesis. So! The very, very basic is that when you fly in space, you are inside a pod, a capsule, which is a gel filled thingy where you control the spaceship via neural implants. When you die, the capsule kills you, takes a snapshot from your consciousness, transfers it over the FTL to where a fresh clone of you waits, and you wake up in a new body. Simple. From [The Capsule and the Clone](https://universe.eveonline.com/scientific-articles/the-capsule-and-the-clone) > In the capsule, however, things are different. All the equipment needs to do is detect a breach in the pod, because – as every cadet has hammered into his head from the moment he starts training – pod breach, without exception, spells doom for the person inside. Therefore, the instant the egg begins to crack, two things happen: the wire-cap on the pilot’s head injects an instantly lethal nanotoxin into his bloodstream and the scanner sends its piercing light into his skull. Scarce seconds later, he begins the muddy climb towards consciousness in a new body, light years away. The process is really safe these days, but it apparently _can_ fail ([CCP Falcon in this Reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3vpw3m/lore_activated_clone_without_death/cxq6nkr/)): > [@Okay I have a few lore Questions](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/okay-i-have-a-few-lore-questions/124394/49): > > "However, there have been cloning failures in the past. There’s a condition called a “mindlock” where your consciousness downloads into your new clone, but you’re effectively trapped inside your own head. Think sleep paralysis, only permanent, for the rest of your life where you can hear, see, think and have all your motor functions intact, but are unable to move, speak or communicate in any way, shape or form. > > Then there’s the small potential for corrupt downloads. Imagine trying to read from a jumped / corrupted hard disk, only imagine that hard disk is your brain. Typically this happens when the data doesn’t parse correctly from the received data packet to the new clone’s brain, and results in what’s known as a NJIF (Neural Jack-In Failure).“” If the process is not controlled and standard, the risks can be greater. Advanced age at first cloning is suspected to have contrinuted to personality changes caused by the experience ([Muriya Mordu](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/muryia-mordu)), and cloning done without proper care can cause brain damage ([Bethora](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/bethora)). If you die outside of the pod, your chances to get a scan in and an immediate revival are slim (from [The Capsule and the Clone](https://universe.eveonline.com/scientific-articles/the-capsule-and-the-clone)) > The crucial element in the process relies on a brain-scan snapshot being taken at the precise time of death and transmitted to the waiting clone, and so the transneural burning scanner required to do so needs to be mounted somewhere close to the person at all times. Since the snapshot itself causes massive physical damage to the gray matter, there can be no margin of error; it needs to be done at the exact time of death. In planetary vehicles, the cloning companies have experimented with mounting the transneural scanner in a variety of locations, but the almost limitless potentiality of planet-bound environments has proved time and again that it just isn’t safe – snapshots either go off due to false stimuli, leaving healthy clients in a vegetative state, or fail to go off due to circumstances unforeseen by the safeguard mechanism, leaving clients dead with no chance of retransplantation. But don’t worry, because there are backups, ie copies of your mindscan that can be used to revive an older copy of you in case of death outside of pod / jumpclone creation. Backups are in multiple places in the lore, but how the process works exactly is not described in lore proper. [Death](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/death) states that all mindscans are lethal, so presumably creating a backup would also require cloning: > Cloning outside of a capsule is also possible, although the associated risks remain pretty much the same: The brain is scanned - and thereby ruined - and its contents transferred to a receiving station that instantaneously awakens the consciousness in a new clone. This can be done only under laboratory conditions, although technology in the area is progressing quite rapidly. The possibility looms that cloning may at some point take place outside the strictures of a capsule or a similar machine, though it’s considered unlikely that it will ever be anything other than instantaneous. From [The Capsule](https://universe.eveonline.com/scientific-articles/the-capsule) we learn that > Eventually in the last couple of decades, cloning became a realistic and stable enough process to allow those with the vast wealth required for such a complex process to ensure the continuation of their lives should the worst happen. > > Today many public figures, politicians, actors, heads of state, and other celebrities have the option to effectively insure their lives with an almost criminally expensive cloning contract that enables them to safeguard their future. However, non-lethal scanning have been assumed assumed by many players and at least by some devs to exist. Here’s a description of it by a storydev at the time (obs: this is _not_ in current lore and _not_ by current lore team, use with caution): > [@Okay I have a few lore Questions](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/okay-i-have-a-few-lore-questions/124394/48): > > And here’s @CCP_Falcon [—] [on reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3vpw3m/lore_activated_clone_without_death/cxq6nkr/), emphasis mine: > > "[T]here is soft cloning, of course. **Backups taken via a non-destructive method** that’s way slower, meaning a capsuleer has to spend 2-4 hours in a clinic being “backed up”. Upon death outside the capsule, this backup can be used, however there’s memory loss from the time the backup occurs up until the point of death. > > **The cost is incredibly prohibitive, even for most average capsuleers.** You need to be very wealthy in order to be able to afford it. **Outside of Capsuleers, it’s utilized by Heads of State** , very important political figures and the insanely rich to safeguard themselves.“” While the possibility of creating a backup without at the same time cloning to a new body is not confirmed in core lore, the _existence_ of backups itself is. Not even all heads of state have backups, as evidenced eg by the [death of Karin Midular](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/karin-midular-has-died/), [Heth’s disease](https://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/the-slow-disease/) and [Gariushi’s having all his clones in one station](https://www.eveonline.com/article/ishukone-statement-otro-gariushi-confirmed-dead-1). Aside from related technical issues, some of these are explained by cultural values. There are many [Minmatar who believe](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-information-on-minmatar-attitudes-to-cloning-backups/139430) that only (one copy of) one body and one mind may exist at any one time. > [—] philosophy of those who believe that only one living body and one living spirit, or mind, may exist at any one time. Within this tradition there exists a school of thought that believes it is acceptable to assist a spirit in crossing from a dying body to a new living body Amarrians have a ‘sacred flesh’ tradition that makes many frown on cloning, even though a recent exhortations by [Empress Catiz](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/loyal-capsuleers-renew-vows-after-emissary-addresses-the-faithful/) and the [Theology Council](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/theology-council-issues-advisory-exhortation-on-status-of-cloned-in-amarr-doctrine/) indeed confirm capsuleers are considered fully human. > The Amarr have a mixed view on cloning, with the doctrine of Sacred Flesh prohibiting it for royalty. Many members of the clergy and nobility also adhere to the ideals of Sacred Flesh, though violation of it among these segments of society is not considered a religious crime as it is among royals. However, cloning has gained more and more acceptance among the Amarr in recent decades, especially with the rise of capsuleers. Some theologians contend that the soul transmigrates into a new body upon cloning, while others claim that clones are nothing more than soulless shells. (From [Death](https://fiction.eveonline.com/new-eden/lore/Death)) > As the faithful will know, this Exhortation by the Theology Council contained the judgment that cloned humans should be accepted as embodying souls in communion with the Imperial Rite. (See links above) Backups of non-capsuleers see some use, however: > Similarly, some military personnel who serve as crew onboard vessels belonging to the various navies of New Eden are mandated to fly with a basic clone that is backed up every three months at the end of their service rotation. This means that if they are killed in the field, they lose a maximum of three months’ memory and training, and can be redeployed into service as soon as they have been assigned to a replacement vessel. > ([The Capsule](https://universe.eveonline.com/scientific-articles/the-capsule)) > **(Click here for a note on revised lore / Frigates of EVE)** > > The book Frigates of EVE states that navy personnel have backups without the modifier “some”. The word “some” making it not a universal practice was added by CCP Delegate Zero in 2021 with the _explicit_ intent to make lore about backups more coherent - if they were so common why would not not every ship have them? Besides clones availabe to some, all crews are _not_ routinely backed up everywhere. Crew work is dangerous and a lot of people die, but other safety measures exist, as evidenced in multiple places in the lore, and for example [this description of SoE work](https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/large-increase-in-crew-losses-says-joint-report-by-aidonis-foundation-and-soe/): > Provisions for crew safety on capsuleer vessels include numerous safety features, such as small boats, escape pods and long-term survival suits. The SCC also makes available life insurance and financing of static backup clones for space crews on highly favorable terms. Despite these measures the SOE believes not enough is being done to prevent crews losses aboard capsuleer ships. In the Triglavian Invasions in YC122, further advancements were made in crew safety: > The pressure of the Triglavian Invasions on spaceship crew numbers and other military personnel risked becoming unsustainable without additional survival measures to reduce losses. Life Support Backup Units are placed in key survival zones to enhance the survival prospects of crew and other personnel in the aftermath of combat. (Item description ingame) Since YC126 (2024), Upwell has been providing a [clone workforce program](https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/politicians-divided-in-wake-of-upwell-announcement). See also their [their ad video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bC672KKWqU). The reason you cannot have multiple copies of yourself is not technical; it’s legal. There’s a [chronicle about that](https://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/one-man-too-many/), but here’s ISD Thalack with the TL;DR (From the [OOC EVE Roleplayers’ Discord](https://discord.gg/fUJRaAf), which you btw totally should join!): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/d/8dd5e347a49700b7d4d2451807d6e6bcc2325a65.png) Jump clones are not backups, but they actually kill you for them, so no time loss when you JC (from [Death](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/death)): > So-called “jump cloning” works in much the same manner. Once a jump contract has been agreed upon, the customer can enter any cloning facility at any station, whereupon they will be brain-scanned, their originating bodies effectively flatlined, and their consciousness transferred to a waiting jump clone at their requested destination. Any implants in the originating body are carefully picked out by machines and just as carefully inserted into a fresh clone waiting at the original jumping-off point. Once the owner finally jumps back, from their point of view, they are returning to the same body, with the same implants and all, when in actuality it is a new clone. Oh, and while you usually don’t, if you are ok with the risk of losing time and have the correct equipment, you _can_ leave your pod on a ship: [https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/cross-capsule-variant](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/cross-capsule-variant) And they make you die and clone once in the end of capsuleer training ([Capsuleers](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/capsuleers); > Once a candidate makes it through the entire five years of mental and physical hardship and exertion, he is ready to face the final test: in order to gain his certification and become a full-fledged capsuleer, he must submit to voluntary euthanasia, give up the body he was born in, and clone into a new version of himself, for the first time coming squarely face to face with death. Despite the prodigious investment of time and energy the preceding years have demanded, it’s surprising to note how many candidates cannot make this final step, forgoing all they’ve learned because they can’t bear to cross the Rubicon into posthumanity. There are a couple of bits here that cause serious headaches to players. Here are some common, as far as I know not confirmed by canon, solutions to those: - It is generally assumed that the requirement for killing yourself once in the end of training was put in around the time EVE Source came out, because before that many player characters were talking about ‘still being in their original body’. This way, some of them still are. - People’s assumptions of to what extent crew death is preventable by cloning and safety measures varies wildly, depending on their story needs for tragedy. - Whether non-lethal scans exist or not is not an issue for most players; they might as well get backups by a method that requires cloning. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/2 "2019-02-10T16:18:43Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > People who want to play with the tragedy of crew death tend to assume that while national navies can somehow finance it, cost for backing up all crew would be prohibitive for capsuleers. My take on this bit is that that navies (and players, I guess, if they so wish) back up only key personnel, people with specialist training, like doomsday/cyno operators or something similar. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/3 "2019-02-10T16:20:13Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > back up only key personnel The lore says “most military personnel who serve as crew onboard vessels belonging to the various navies of New Eden”, though. You’d have to assume most crew on navy ships are in fact civilian for this to fit? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/4 "2019-02-10T16:23:36Z")
🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Zeppo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_zeppo/32/267042_2.png) [@Mr\_Zeppo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Zeppo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/5 "2019-02-10T19:01:31Z")
as a new player to EVE, with an interest in getting into writing fanfiction set in a fictional version of the Universe, i am very curious about Pod lor and the norms already established… and i have a set of questions about Capsuleers that i am seeking answeres to- is the “norm” that Capsuleers enter and exit thier pods on the regular? like, as in-game characters, do we have apartments we commute to and from when we are not “working” at our in-game activities? or Do capsuleers basically “live” in their pods, rarely exiting to do things face to face with other people? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/6 "2019-02-10T19:06:46Z")
It is the norm that capsuleers enter and exit pods regularly, yes. This is both in lore descriptions and in how most RPers play it. Most maintain apartments on various stations and meet other people face-to-face, only staying in the pod for actually flying the spaceships. There are exceptions though and I believe there is a bit of lore floating somewhere that says that you _can_ stay in for days, but after weeks the recycling starts to fail and you at least have to exit for a bit of maintenance. It is in the explanation for why pods are moved to station if you stay in space without logging in for 30 days or more. I can’t find it right now tho so I might misremember. EDIT: welcome to EVE. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/7 "2019-02-10T19:48:53Z")
You don’t, normally, leave your pod _on_ a ship though. If you’re aboard a ship, you’re in your pod. It’s _possible_ (the Gantry variants of ships. in one of the novels), but unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/8 "2019-02-10T19:51:23Z")
Correct; here’s the reference again (it’s in the original post too but that’s quite a wall-of-text 😄 ): > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Oh, and if you want to risk losing time, and have equipment, you _can_ leave your pod in a ship. > > ![](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/40/118237_2.png)[Okay I have a few lore Questions](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/okay-i-have-a-few-lore-questions/124394/6) > > > Ships in which the pilot can leave the capsule do exist. Lore reference: [Cross-capsule variant](http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Cross-capsule_variant) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/9 "2019-02-10T19:51:39Z")
Doh! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/10 "2019-02-10T20:42:43Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > It is the norm that capsuleers enter and exit pods regularly, yes. This is both in lore descriptions and in how most RPers play it. Most maintain apartments on various stations and meet other people face-to-face, only staying in the pod for actually flying the spaceships. > > There are exceptions though and I believe there is a bit of lore floating somewhere that says that you _can_ stay in for days, but after weeks the recycling starts to fail and you at least have to exit for a bit of maintenance. It is in the explanation for why pods are moved to station if you stay in space without logging in for 30 days or more. I can’t find it right now tho so I might misremember. 90 days. I double-checked the post where it was mentioned. > [@CCP Falcon](#): > > Operating under its own power, the Capsule will provide approximately 90 days of life support for the pilot, before the solution and the nanites within become saturated with carbon and are unable to further process carbon dioxide. At this point, the Neural Interface Life Support will trigger the TEBS, euthanizing the pilot and returning them to their chosen cloning facility. [That post](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/5154611/#post5154611) also includes a few other things that were meant to be in Source but had to be cut for space. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Zeppo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_zeppo/32/267042_2.png) [@Mr\_Zeppo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Zeppo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/11 "2019-02-10T22:10:34Z")
Thanks! Lots to take in… And yet more questions come to mind- so pods effectively make us immortal, so I would imagine that on our time off, people would be conscious of risk, especially if going planet side, far from clone stations? … more I want to ask, but I’ve got to get to work. Bookmarked this thread! ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/12 "2019-02-10T22:12:50Z")
Immortal in some sense of the word, at least. But yes, it’s generally established that capsuleers are much more vulnerable outside of the pods than they are inside of them. Capsuleers who maintain backup clones negate this _somewhat_, but capsuleers are still more at risk planetside than they would be in pod in space. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/13 "2019-02-10T23:51:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Zeppo](#): > > is the “norm” that Capsuleers enter and exit thier pods on the regular? > like, as in-game characters, do we have apartments we commute to and from when we are not “working” at our in-game activities? Sure makes you feel old when you see someone who doesn’t remember Captain’s Quarters being a thing… =) ---
**Author:** ![Ameriya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ameriya/32/251869_2.png) [@Ameriya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ameriya)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/14 "2019-02-11T03:48:15Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > It’s _possible_ (the Gantry variants of ships. in one of the novels), but unusual. I know Falcon said at one point, I think on Reddit, but darn if I can find it, that supercapitals have facilities for the pilot to leave the pod, since they could not dock originally. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/15 "2019-02-11T05:10:01Z")
> [@Mr\_Zeppo](#): > > And yet more questions come to mind- so pods effectively make us immortal, so I would imagine that on our time off, people would be conscious of risk, especially if going planet side, far from clone stations? Well, not necessarily, because back-up clones exist. Some people are very conscious because lost time feels like mini-death to them. Others do duels to death for fun because why not? You have a back-up. You can write a story either way. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/16 "2019-02-11T07:14:48Z")
> [@Mr\_Zeppo](#): > > I would imagine that on our time off, people would be conscious of risk, especially if going planet side, far from clone stations? Of course. But similarly, going after a technically-immortal, immensely wealthy figure is a monumentally bad idea, and most people wont do it for the potential repercussions alone. Still, the risk does exist, and it would be similarly a bit silly not to take precautions: for example, Teinyhr has hired professionals to guard her family members 24/7. Similarly, if Tein has to go to even somewhat risky situations in person, there is always a security cadre with her, some you can see and some you can not. Naturally, these people are best of the best in their business because she can afford it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Zeppo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_zeppo/32/267042_2.png) [@Mr\_Zeppo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Zeppo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/17 "2019-02-11T08:04:14Z")
Thank you kindly for all your responses! The specific references to characters that exist in lore prompts the following question in my mind- does there exist a list somewhere on the inter-webs of common and popular lore personalities and characters that new aspiring fan fiction writers should be aware of? If such a list does not exist yet, who wants to help me build it? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Zeppo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_zeppo/32/267042_2.png) [@Mr\_Zeppo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Zeppo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/18 "2019-02-11T08:41:59Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Sure makes you feel old when you see someone who doesn’t remember Captain’s Quarters being a thing… =) While I may be new to EVE, I am certainly old enough to understand what that feels like… Both in real life, and in other MMO’s I’ve played. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/19 "2019-02-11T10:47:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Zeppo](#): > > Thank you kindly for all your responses! The specific references to characters that exist in lore prompts the following question in my mind- does there exist a list somewhere on the inter-webs of common and popular lore personalities and characters that new aspiring fan fiction writers should be aware of? Comprehensive lists of stuffz you should know are notoriously bad in EVE. There have been attempts, and for a while there was EVElopedia, but they have all fallen through and become outdated. @Teinyhr maintains a resources megathread [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-lore-resources-megathread/25814), but that at least does not mention a list of notable personae. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064/20 "2019-02-11T16:42:49Z")
As always, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong Else, but I don’t think there are many characters in lore that pop up more than once anyway. Some do–heads of state, usually–but in most of the chronicles and articles I’ve read, names pop up once, things happen to them, and that’s pretty much the last time we see them. So a fanfic writer might want to be aware of who’s running what these days, but not worry about who Hona is. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-lore-faq-clones-poddings-crew-deaths-and-backups/139064.md?page=2)