# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/201 "2021-03-06T17:21:09Z")
(sigh) Again, they already have that. Why waste ccp’s time? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/202 "2021-03-06T17:21:15Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Now you’re shifting again. First it was PvP, then it was solo PvP, then it was not losing, now it’s defending. They are all exist within the same set. I’m not shifting, I’m specifying if anything. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/203 "2021-03-06T17:21:36Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > (sigh) Again, they already have that. Why waste ccp’s time? FW is not that. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/204 "2021-03-06T17:22:07Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > How do you generalize those skills to the open world which is full of variables? You learn after, now you have a foundation. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/205 "2021-03-06T17:22:10Z")
I said nothing about fw. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/206 "2021-03-06T17:22:41Z")
Say what you mean or I’ll assume what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/207 "2021-03-06T17:23:33Z")
I do not want CCP to waste resources on this idea of your because you say so and think you are special and entitled . I want more ore and better rewards for project discovery. Leave the new players be , if we managed they can manage too . They are not vegetables ! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/208 "2021-03-06T17:23:54Z")
I already have. You don’t like what I say because I disagree with you is all. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/209 "2021-03-06T17:23:58Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > Now you’re shifting again. First it was PvP, then it was solo PvP, then it was not losing, now it’s defending. > > They are all exist within the same set. I’m not shifting, I’m specifying if anything. You’re “specifying” ad hoc, after someone has pointed out a problem. This is shifting. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > How do you generalize those skills to the open world which is full of variables? > > You learn after, now you have a foundation. And what is that “foundation”? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/210 "2021-03-06T17:24:48Z")
FW its EZ enough ,CCP just need to use my suggestion to fix it its pretty great removing the first and the last tier goes a long way and cam be done today gogo CCP > [@CCP PLEASE FIX FACTION WARFARE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-fix-faction-warfare/289130/166): > > just take tier 1 and 5 out then we have more time to think about it > DO IT > ![tenor](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/8/68d394b209def324012368ef11f9aa089ca22d85.gif) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/211 "2021-03-06T17:24:51Z")
It does seem to be turning into yet another entitlement thd… ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/212 "2021-03-06T17:25:36Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > I do not want CCP to waste resources on this idea of your because you say so and think you are special and entitled . The irony. CCP’s decision. They either like my idea or they don’t, I’m okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/213 "2021-03-06T17:26:13Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I already have. You don’t like what I say because I disagree with you is all. Okay whatever, ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/214 "2021-03-06T17:28:33Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > You’re “specifying” ad hoc, after someone has pointed out a problem. This is shifting. Shifting implies I mean something different to what I did previously. > [@Xuixien](#): > > And what is that “foundation”? Basic fitting, control, and decision making of your ship when fighting another player. Why do I want certain modules? Why do I want to kite? Why do I want to avoid fighting that type of ship? What ammo should I be using? etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/215 "2021-03-06T17:28:43Z")
Good , because no one from CCP is going to like the idea of introducing something into the game that’s already there. If you think someone from CCP is actually going to consider this , you are delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/216 "2021-03-06T17:30:08Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > You’re “specifying” ad hoc, after someone has pointed out a problem. This is shifting. > > Shifting implies I mean something different to what I did previously. “Learning PvP”, “solo PvP”, “lasting more than 3 seconds”, “defending against other players” are different things. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Basic fitting, control, and decision making of your ship when fighting another player. Why do I want certain modules? Why do I want to kite? Why do I want to avoid fighting that type of ship? What ammo should I be using? etc etc. And how are players going to learn this in a HiSec “arena” vs just experimenting in FW or joining a corp and learning from other players? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/217 "2021-03-06T17:30:19Z")
to be clear taking tier 1 off garanteee that a solo pilot will make 1 million/ish per minute inside a FW complex that is more than enough to buy infinite t1 frigates and destroyers for pew pew (cover any loss) AND pay your plex at the end of the mont if it is your primary activity ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/218 "2021-03-06T17:30:20Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > It does seem to be turning into yet another entitlement thd… What am I entitled to? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/219 "2021-03-06T17:31:20Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > “Learning PvP”, “solo PvP”, “lasting more than 3 seconds”, “defending against other players” are different things. defending and last more than 3 seconds is the same thing, you can do both of these in solo pvp while learning pvp. Wheres the contradiction you claim exists? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/220 "2021-03-06T17:31:58Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > And how are players going to learn this in a HiSec “arena” vs just experimenting in FW or joining a corp and learning from other players? Probably more than joins FW. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=12)