# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/221 "2021-03-06T17:32:24Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > to be clear > taking tear 1 off garanteee that a solo pilot will make 1 million/ish per minute inside a FW complex It’s not about ISK, and I guarantee you a new player can’t do that. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/222 "2021-03-06T17:32:59Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > It’s not about ISK. yes it is people don’t do pvp because they are afraid of losing isk FACT ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/223 "2021-03-06T17:33:24Z")
A cookie. While I applaud your effort, you would be better off figuring out a way to get this into the npe. A new player arena is hardly a new idea. It wasn’t a good one then and it’s still not. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/224 "2021-03-06T17:33:25Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > yes it is > people don’t do pvp because they are afraid to losing isk > FACT People don’t like losing. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/225 "2021-03-06T17:34:07Z")
oh well boo ■■■■■■■ hoo. there will always be winners and losers… the losers need to learn how to ■■■■■■■ lose. not throw a hissy ■■■■■■■ fit. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/226 "2021-03-06T17:34:08Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > People don’t like losing. yes but they can take it wen its worth it look at SRP ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/227 "2021-03-06T17:34:13Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > defending and last more than 3 seconds is the same thing It’s not, because “surviving more than 3 seconds” implies effectiveness and longevity in a fight. “Defending” can include warping away and avoiding, which doesn’t involve fighting. > [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Probably more than joins FW. My question was “how”. Not “what” or “how much”. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/228 "2021-03-06T17:35:06Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > oh well boo ■■■■■■■ hoo. there will always be winners and losers… the losers need to learn how to ■■■■■■■ lose. not throw a hissy ■■■■■■■ fit. Says the guy throwing a hissy fit. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/229 "2021-03-06T17:35:46Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > yes > but they can take it wen its worth it > look at SRP Do you like playing games where you have no chance to win? Most people do not. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/230 "2021-03-06T17:36:20Z")
me, throwing a hissy fit… yea ok. sure… whatever bob… what you are asking for is in game, or could be improved already in game… we don’t need more catering or hand holding for newbs… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/231 "2021-03-06T17:36:35Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > > > yes > > > > > but they can take it wen its worth it > > > look at SRP > > Do you like playing games where you have no chance to win? Most people do not. But that’s what people have explained to you. Newbies do have a chance to win. There are things they can do, such as bringing friends. When this was pointed out to you, you “_specified_” solo PvP… ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/232 "2021-03-06T17:36:37Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Do you like playing games where you have no chance to win? Most people do not. look at all the times i lost a ship 10 vs 1 on my kill board and shush ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/233 "2021-03-06T17:36:40Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It’s not, because “surviving more than 3 seconds” implies effectiveness and longevity in a fight. “Defending” can include warping away and avoiding, which doesn’t involve fighting. I wouldn’t class avoiding as PVP, I would class avoiding as avoiding PVP. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/234 "2021-03-06T17:37:16Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Do you like playing games where you have no chance to win? Most people don’t expect to win at 1st when they start playing a new game. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/235 "2021-03-06T17:37:41Z")
interacting with another player, even when leaving is still PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/236 "2021-03-06T17:37:44Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > look at all the times i lost a ship 10 vs 1 on my kill board and shush Yes well done. Obviously that means we can never try to improve the experience for new players. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/237 "2021-03-06T17:37:54Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > > [@Xuixien](#): > > > > It’s not, because “surviving more than 3 seconds” implies effectiveness and longevity in a fight. “Defending” can include warping away and avoiding, which doesn’t involve fighting. > > I wouldn’t class avoiding as PVP, I would class avoiding as avoiding PVP. What do you consider player **versus** player then? Because avoiding someone who is hunting you is, in fact, one player vs another. Are you talking about **combat** , or PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/238 "2021-03-06T17:38:20Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > interacting with another player, even when leaving is still PVP. No…lol. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/239 "2021-03-06T17:39:20Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > What do you consider player **versus** player then? Because avoiding someone who is hunting you is, in fact, one player vs another. Are you talking about **combat** , or PvP? PVP is combat. If you fly into a system and I dock up, how the hell is that PVP. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/240 "2021-03-06T17:39:23Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Yes well done. Obviously that means we can never try to improve the experience for new players. maybe fixing FW could improve the experience for new players 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=13)