# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/21 "2021-03-06T12:37:02Z")
I dont agree with you. I can remember my start and those of many people playing this game for a long time. It´s always the corporation that makes people stay. If you can fill a role in fleet you can take part in corplife. Everything else is coming by time passing by. You do see what people in corps do to get money. You see the ships they are flying. Its enough guidance and motivation. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/22 "2021-03-06T12:38:24Z")
You could always use SiSi for pvp training, since they won’t lose anything. Dumbing down EVE will not be good for the game (I don’t pvp). But accusing someone for being a vet when they are in fact new I just stupid. Normally I never agree with zhalyd and his trolling of how much he hates ccp, but I’m in agreement with him in this thread. There is enough instanced pvp to learn. There is no such thing as fair fights and I’ve never seen one newbro complain about it. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/23 "2021-03-06T12:38:24Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > It is not an introduction, it is miseducation of new players and making them believe one thing that holds no water outside the controlled environment of your introduction arena. Sorry I’m not responding to you anymore. You are just being ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/24 "2021-03-06T12:41:07Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > You could always use SiSi for pvp training, since they won’t lose anything. Is suggesting that a new player should use the test server to learn the game a good idea? I don’t think so at all. I think the fact you have to suggest that shows something is missing from the actual game. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Dumbing down EVE will not be good for the game (I don’t pvp). But accusing someone for being a vet when they are in fact new I just stupid. Overwhelming new players is not good for the game either. Go and talk to new players in rookie chat, many of them complain about being overwhelmed with information. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > There is enough instanced pvp to learn. There is no such thing as fair fights and I’ve never seen one newbro complain about it. You’ve never talked to a newbro, that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/25 "2021-03-06T12:45:00Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Overwhelming new players is not good for the game either. Go and talk to new players in rookie chat, many of them complain about being overwhelmed with information. But that is what eve always was like. You have to learn it. Step by Step. And its not even necessary to understand pvp in eve in the first weeks. Its no game for coming in play for some time and become a fortnite hero. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/26 "2021-03-06T12:45:58Z")
^^ TL;DR Here’s a spaceship, perform an impossible sexual act on yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/27 "2021-03-06T12:47:12Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > But that is what eve always was like. You have to learn it. Step by Step. And its not even necessary to understand pvp in eve in the first weeks. Its no game for coming in play some game and become a fortnite hero. Isn’t introductory PVP to learn the basics of piloting your ship in PVP the definition of step by step? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/28 "2021-03-06T12:48:03Z")
It’s a 18 yr old game, of course new players are going to be overwhelmed. But when the bittervets stop being jackasses and newbros stop being entitled brats, Eve can be a welcoming place to get podded upon your first undocking ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/29 "2021-03-06T12:48:50Z")
No the basics of piloting your ship doesnt need to happen in pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/30 "2021-03-06T12:49:09Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > It’s a 18 yr old game, of course new players are going to be overwhelmed. Well maybe there’s an argument for trying to reduce the feeling of being overwhelmed for new players? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/31 "2021-03-06T12:49:37Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > No the basics of piloting your ship doesnt need to happen in pvp. I guess not if you class PVP as being an F1 monkey in a fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/32 "2021-03-06T12:51:27Z")
But you cant change the feeling of being overwhelmed without changing what eve is. If people are playing for a long time and try new parts they never did that feeling is coming back. If you start solo-pvp that feeling is coming back. This is no themepark where you need to held peoples hands and guide them from a to b to c. You should tell them: Eve is difficult. Get some friends that can help you. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/33 "2021-03-06T12:51:56Z")
There’s plenty of fleets that teach newbros how to pvp. RvB specifically does this. I think EVE Uni does too. So there’s opportunities to learn pvp in fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/34 "2021-03-06T12:52:27Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > But you cant change the feeling of being overwhelmed without changing what eve is. This idea is not going to change what eve is. Stop being hyperbolic. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/35 "2021-03-06T12:53:57Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > This idea is not going to change what eve is. Stop being hyperbolic. But it doesnt help either. Its ok you have your idea of what ccp should do. I think you are wrong. You have to life with my oppinion too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/36 "2021-03-06T12:55:56Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > There’s plenty of fleets that teach newbros how to pvp. RvB specifically does this. I think EVE Uni does too. So there’s opportunities to learn pvp in fleets. Talk to new players. It’s very difficult to convince them to join a corp. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/37 "2021-03-06T12:56:53Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > New players don’t know the landscape of eve well enough to say stuff like FW ‘is only a few jumps’ and new players don’t get upset at the thought of a ‘fair fight’ like you are. Been playing 3 months, you don’t need to be a 10 year vet to understand the concept of jumps. Also just because you’re new to a game doesn’t mean you have to be a scared little chicken. In fact you’ve been around since 2011, what would you know about what a new player need? ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/38 "2021-03-06T12:57:00Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Talk to new players. It’s very difficult to convince them to join a corp. Perhaps this kind of players wont be happy with eve anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/39 "2021-03-06T12:57:11Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > But it doesnt help either. Its ok you have your idea of what ccp should do. I think you are wrong. You have to life with my oppinion too 😉 Sure, I might be wrong, but so far the arguments for why I’m wrong haven’t been convincing. Just extreme hyperbola. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/40 "2021-03-06T12:58:52Z")
You don’t have to join a corp to do fleets… RvB keeps a fleet up for anyone to join. Stop making excuses. If a new player wants stuff handed to them like a fair fight they can go somewhere else [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=3)