# EVE needs a place new players can try PVP easily **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899 "2021-03-06T10:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/41 "2021-03-06T12:59:00Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Sure, I might be wrong, but so far the arguments for why I’m wrong haven’t been convincing. Just extreme hyperbola. Convincing to you but people could tell you anything cause you probably are already set in what you do think being right. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/42 "2021-03-06T12:59:16Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > Perhaps this kind of players wont be happy with eve anyways. Well that’s not true, there’s plenty of solo content in the game. Players will also see the benefits of corporations as they mature as a player too. Better to retain 20% more new players with new ideas than 0% by never trying anything. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/43 "2021-03-06T13:00:03Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > You don’t have to join a corp to do fleets… RvB keeps a fleet up for anyone to join. Stop making excuses. Yes, so obvious to a new player, why didn’t they think of it before! Hello Zhalyd’s alt. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/44 "2021-03-06T13:01:54Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > Convincing to you but people could tell you anything cause you probably are already set in what you do think being right. No, it’s just the arguments so far have been “already stuff in the game, change new players mindsets they can never change back, ruin eve open world”. Sorry, these are bad arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/45 "2021-03-06T13:02:20Z")
And CCP is adding new stuff. But safe spaces to learn core gameplay of Eve is not the ideal route. They need to, as FW pilots scream, fix FW, before they think about safe spaces. I’ve done my share of training newbros, passing them off to others to train in areas I lack. Never had one complaint. Entitlements is not good for eve ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/46 "2021-03-06T13:03:49Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > They need to, as FW pilots scream, fix FW, before they think about safe spaces. FW is not a good place for new players, FW is a good place for vets. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Entitlements is not good for eve It’s not entitlement. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/47 "2021-03-06T13:03:53Z")
Not an alt but thanks for trying. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/48 "2021-03-06T13:03:57Z")
In my opinion eve is for players who can life with it being a bit complicated. And yes perhaps some players are happy playing the game as a lonewolf but its not ideal to tell those people that they will have an easy life. At least if you chose some kind of “paths” in eve. Its also true that for example solo pvp is probably one of the most difficult parts of eve. If you teach people to expect that fights are “fair” you dont make them happy after they leave those fights. Actually fair fights dont teach you anything beyond fighting npcs because the trick in eve pvp is to not be fair. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/49 "2021-03-06T13:05:34Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > Actually fair fights dont teach you anything beyond fighting npcs because the trick in eve pvp is to not be fair. It’s also very time consuming and relies on a great deal of knowledge to know when you have the advantage. This is the exact opposite of what a new player needs. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/50 "2021-03-06T13:05:49Z")
RvB would advertise in help channels but they cannot. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/51 "2021-03-06T13:06:31Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > RvB would advertise in help channels but they cannot. So how can your solution be the best. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/52 "2021-03-06T13:07:18Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > So how can your solution be the best. The question first should be: do we really need a solution for that problem. ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/53 "2021-03-06T13:08:31Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > The question first should be: do we really need a solution for that problem. Problems need solutions by definition, otherwise they wouldn’t be problems. The question is, can we make it easier for new players to get into pvp? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/54 "2021-03-06T13:10:00Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > Problems need solutions by definition, otherwise they wouldn’t be problems. But do wee need to get players faster in pvp? ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/55 "2021-03-06T13:11:17Z")
> [@Bonny\_Lee](#): > > But do wee need to get players faster in pvp? One of the reasons why players are so risk averse in eve is because they don’t understand pvp, it was too hard for them to get into. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/56 "2021-03-06T13:17:57Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > One of the reasons why players are so risk averse in eve is because they don’t understand pvp, it was too hard for them to get into. Your introduction changes nothing in that regard to the positive but instead to the negative. People will come to expect that fights follow a specific way if they bring a specific tool and will be very disappointed when this is not going to be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/57 "2021-03-06T13:18:01Z")
But most eve players are not that kind of players who will be pure pvp players anyways. And its not necessary for them to be like that. Im no pvp pro and have been playing for years. Its just necessary to understand that they will lose things in eve and its ok. Its necessary that they have fun exploring the game and perhaps find a place and acitivy thats fun for them. Perhaps they will start playing pvp perhaps not. A lot of content for some kind of pvp players are players that are not into pvp so much. Thats eve. You need all those kinds of players. Miners, gankers, traders, explorers, f1 Monkeys, corp leaders, recruiters, haulers. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/58 "2021-03-06T13:18:40Z")
> [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](#): > > It should also be next to trade hubs for the reason that new players do not want to fly for an hour Last time I checked Tama was 4 jumps from Jita. The central hub of EvE is only 4j away from the busiest FW PvP system in EvE. How much more convinience for getting into action do you need?? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/59 "2021-03-06T13:21:04Z")
Apparently a space where no vets are there and a bunch of newbs can attempt to see who has the biggest epeen on their ship to say they can pvp… ---
**Author:** ![Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caitlynn_askyra/32/460247_2.png) [@Caitlynn\_Askyra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caitlynn_Askyra)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899/60 "2021-03-06T13:23:03Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Last time I checked Tama was 4 jumps from Jita. It’s not just about distance. It’s about the FW environment which promotes vets to fly powerful ships. New players are only going to learn one thing, which is not to bother trying to fight. They don’t have a chance to learn anything about range, tracking, falloff, or anything like that because they are almost guaranteed to make a mistake off the bat and get destroyed by high dps vets without being able to react. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eve-needs-a-place-new-players-can-try-pvp-easily/298899.md?page=4)